Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!lll-crg!lll-lcc!well!stevef From: stevef@well.UUCP (Steven Robert Fordyce) Newsgroups: net.micro.amiga Subject: Four-layer PC Boards Message-ID: <1653@well.UUCP> Date: Tue, 19-Aug-86 11:25:32 EDT Article-I.D.: well.1653 Posted: Tue Aug 19 11:25:32 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 20-Aug-86 08:24:17 EDT Reply-To: stevef@well.UUCP (Steven Robert Fordyce) Distribution: net.micro.amiga Organization: Whole Earth Lectronic Link, Sausalito CA Lines: 50 Keywords: Attn Perry S. Kivolowitz. I know this is an old subject, but I was a bit behind in my reading, and it took a while for me to get the courage to write--this is my first posting. Some people on this net have implied or stated that four-layer PC boards are of higher "quality" in general than double-sided boards. This is not true. I am an electrical engineer with some experience with both double sided and multi-layer boards. If a board works, it works--there is no reason to prefer four-layer boards over one or two layer boards. As a designer I like four-layer boards because they allow greater density, reduce EMI, and *tend* to reduce cross-talk and noise. Note that I said tend to reduce; four-layer boards can have noise problems too. I find that with two layer boards I have to sit with the layout person daily to see that the board is laid out properly with adequate ground and power traces, separation between potentially noise sensitive and noise generating traces, and that the grounds for power, digital, and low level analog are kept separate and are connected at only one place (of course I realize the last one doesn't apply to memory expansion boards). With four-layer boards I can, and do pay less attention to the layout of the board. After all, power and ground, the inner two layers are as wide as they can be. There are however important disadvantages to four-layer boards. They are about twice as expensive, they are more difficult to rework (you can get to the +5v and ground planes), and there is the potential for shorts between the inner layers and feed-throughs. On one batch of boards we received there was a intermittent short between the ground plane and one trace. These were tested boards and the problem didn't show up until after the assembly was tested and in use. I don't want to over state this sort of problem--it is probably rare, and shorts can occur on a two layer board, but it is less likely and much less difficult to deal with. On the last board I had a hand in, the way we justified the expense of a four-layer board was that that alone was enough to get us past the FCC without further shielding. That saved us money over all, but if that hadn't been true we never would have gone to the trouble of a four-layer board. And even so, I did have a problem with cross-talk, and ringing that took a second rev of the board to correct. So regardless of the number of layers time and care must be taken do a proper layout. And once that has been done, cross-talk and ringing also won't be a problem irrespective of the number of layers. As a consumer I see no reason to prefer four-layer boards. The Amiga itself laid out on a two layer board. Would it be in any sense better if it was a four layer board? Would it be faster, use less power, last longer, or be more reliable? The answer to all of these is no. At higher frequencies four-layer become necessary to stop excessive ringing in switching, but the Amiga is safely below where it becomes necessary. Steve Fordyce hplabs!well!stevef