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From: toebes@sas.UUCP (John Toebes)
Newsgroups: net.micro.amiga
Subject: Re: Availability of Amiga Kermit in the PD
Message-ID: <162@sas.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 29-Aug-86 13:46:34 EDT
Article-I.D.: sas.162
Posted: Fri Aug 29 13:46:34 1986
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Summary: Get them from the Author

In article <794@usc-oberon.UUCP>, spencer@usc-oberon.UUCP (Randy) writes:
> > By the way, Randy notes that the executable he sends is unpacked from the 
> > .boo file and that he has yet to get the sources to compile using Lattice
> > C - I think version 3.03 but I'm not sure. So the sources may or may not
> > be of any use to you, anyway.
> > keith
> Yes, and I still cannot compile the sources, but there was a new twist this
> week, I downloaded the sources from Columbia again, and they are different
> this time.  I guess that in my haste to get the new Kermit (which if it had
> 80 columns would be the best!) I got some of the sources without letting
> them completely update all the necessary files. However, I still am having
> problems.  If the author, or the folks at CU20B would like to comment, I
> would love to start handing out the working sources.  I feel real bad be-
> cause I have had people from Commodore requesting them and I am sending them
> files that won't compile.  At least they are getting the working Kermit.

FLAME ON!

Why in the world would people want to get the source from anyone other than the
author - Jack Rouse.  He is on the net - ...mcnc!rti-sel!sas!jjr
and has offered to send out the latest source (which do compile and have
not been munged by any intervening processes) and executable for $6.00 (the
typical going rate).

LOWER FLAME LEVEL (just above broil)

It is because of exactly what is happening here that I have stopped posting
stuff to the net and making source available.  People recompile and put their
name as the 'source' (how many times has Jack Rouse's name been mentioned on
the net as the Author of Amiga C-Kermit?) and try to get the glory for someone
elses hard work.  It is this practice that completely destroys the concept
of freeware and shareware.  As it is with Hack, I am operating at a little
below a loss for porting the program when you count the amount of time I have
spend supporting versions that were posted to BBS's (or recompiled incorrectly)
without everything necessary.  My phone number still seems to stay with it
but not always the name - so who do you think gets phone calls at 3AM to solve
these problems?

FLAME OFF

The basic concept of redistributing software must come from some basic
foundations: (Personal opinion)
  1) The redistributor is providing a general collection of products that are
     not readily available from other sources
  2) The redistributer provides additional enhancements AND documentation as
     well as some form of support.
  3) The original author is aware of the redistribution or has consented to the
     distribution - but not for profit.

Fred Fish meets all of these for Amiga Software, Columbia University meets all
of these for Kermit.

Route all flames to /dev/null
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