Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!caip!nike!oliveb!glacier!bridge2!ngg From: ngg@bridge2.UUCP (Norman Goodger) Newsgroups: net.micro.mac Subject: Re: Uppity behavior creeping in... Message-ID: <217@bridge2.UUCP> Date: Wed, 3-Sep-86 17:29:53 EDT Article-I.D.: bridge2.217 Posted: Wed Sep 3 17:29:53 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 4-Sep-86 04:19:19 EDT References: <578@rosevax.UUCP> Organization: Bridge Communications, Inc., Mountain View, Ca Lines: 64 > ***MILD FLAME FOLLOWS*** > > Both of these posts typify, in my view, a real trend by the 'hard-core' > Mac types to ignore machines that are not the 'state of the Mac art' and > ridicule or at least underrate the users of same. I don't know ANYONE > personally that has upgraded to a Mac 512E or Mac Plus. Many of us just > do not consider the hassle of these upgrades to be worth the improvement. > We don't use our Macs constantly. We don't compile C programs. We don't > consider a decrease of a few seconds in launch time to be worth several > hundred dollars. We don't feel the need for systems with 25 fonts and 15 > slick DA's. We can't write off upgrades and hard disks as necessary > business expenses or get our employers to pay for them. We are USERS, plain > Jane types who just want the Mac to do some tasks for us, or give us > access to electronic networks, or maybe just to play games on. The old, > boring, and yes slightly too slow 512K Macs work very well for an awful > lot of us. > Sure, I'd LOVE to have a Mac with a Meg or two of RAM, a 40MB SCSI hard > disk (we use 'em here), a matching SCSI tape drive, and an 800K internal disk. > I'd also like a MIDI interface, and an 8 channel synthesizer, and all the > great sequencer and music composition software there is out there. What the > heck, I'd like to have PageMaker and a Laserwriter to help my chorus put > out a good bulletin, too. But, other things (like restoring an older home > and paying for it, etc.) are just more important to me now. I don't have the money to keep my Mac up to the latest state, and I won't for a long, long time. > So don't be so caught up in your wonderful machines and the great things they > can do that you forget about us that don't share such a single-minded devotion > to technology and computing. Apple isn't selling all it's Mac production > to developers, corporations, and gurus. > **FLAME OFF** Sorry this got a bit long..... > Andy Hogan Rosemount, Inc. Mpls MN > path: ...ihnp4!stolaf!umn-cs!mmm!rosevax!hogan It seems to me that the whole upgrade picture is being blown out of proportion. In the above "flame" Mr. Hogan seems to be confused as he starts by claiming that he is a "plain-jane user", then procedes to wish for every concievable upgrade to his Mac that any user could ever wish for. And his last paragraph was the most confusing. It was hard to tell what he didn't want us to be caught up in? It was either the upgrade schemes of Apple or he thinks that every Mac user that wishes to upgrade has to be a developer or corporation, or a Mac guru I guess. Maybe the confusion lies in where he thinks that the rest of us that enjoy our Macs and use them on a daily basis, ie. "Hard Core Mac Types" feel about our Macs and why we like them enough to stay current with the upgrades. I feel that staying current, allows me to use my Mac to the fullest, and those that feel that the upgrade paths are to expensive or not worth it are either satisfied with the way the Mac works for them as is, or do not understand the advantages that the upgrade may offer them. Then of course, I am sure, there are those that are cheap and wouldn't consider an upgrade merely on the basis of cost thinking that Apple should give all this stuff away, and they deserve it because they were the first ones to purchase a Mac at the original retail prices. Well I happen to think that Apple has made some mistakes, they are not perfect. I feel that recently the Mac-plus upgrades were fairly priced. I feel that $299 for an 800k drive and the New roms is fair, considering that some dealers sold them for less, usually around $260. sometimes less. Mac Plus Logic board, a little overpriced in my opinion, but fair in the distinction between 128k and 512k owners. THere are so many 3rd party upgrades available for memory today, and some are real good and won't even void your Apple warranty so you still have options on more memory over getting the MAC+ logic bd. All in all, I think that Mr. Hogan' "Flame" makes little sense and has no validity in the light of common sense for upgrades and the reasoning behind it. At least Apple offers upgrades to allow users to stay current with their technology, many DON"T.