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From: chris@umcp-cs.UUCP (Chris Torek)
Newsgroups: net.unix-wizards
Subject: Re: Talk and \"protocol not supported\"
Message-ID: <3048@umcp-cs.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 21-Aug-86 16:39:13 EDT
Article-I.D.: umcp-cs.3048
Posted: Thu Aug 21 16:39:13 1986
Date-Received: Thu, 21-Aug-86 22:28:50 EDT
References: <3053@brl-smoke.ARPA> <2410001@nucsrl.UUCP>
Reply-To: chris@umcp-cs.UUCP (Chris Torek)
Organization: University of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Sci.
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>Tom Perrine writes:
>>Our current head scratcher involves "talk" and some other similiar
>>programs. ...
>
In article <2410001@nucsrl.UUCP> naim@nucsrl.UUCP (abdullah) writes:
>I would speculate that the problem is with /etc/hosts rather than
>with the configuration file. ... I read an article by Fred Avolio

[Look, Fred, someone finally spelled your name right! :-)]

>(ihnp4!decuac!avolio) in net.bugs.4bsd regarding a problem with
>syslog running on a machine not on a network.
>     Such a machine HAS to have the word "localhost" in its /etc/hosts
>entry. The address does not matter (although 0 is probably not a good
>idea since it is used for something special; I forget what).

However, it should always be 127.0.0.1, lest `martian datagrams'
leak out later.  You must also be sure to `ifconfig lo0 localhost up'
in /etc/rc or /etc/rc.local.

Alas, I do not believe that this is related to the talk bug; syslog
and talk were both new in 4.2BSD, and the author(s) of talk most
likely did not know about syslog.  (Indeed, I believe that only
sendmail knew of syslog in 4.2BSD.)  All of this is quite different
in 4.3 (and possibly in Ultrix 1.2 as well).

>     Can some guru explain where in the *source* is the presence of
>localhost checked for? Is it in the network library routines or
>where? (certainly not in the source for talk)

The syslog routines open an AF_INET connection to `localhost's
syslog port.  If you have no `localhost' entry, the 4.2BSD syslog
that is part of sendmail opens the console instead, then prints a
bogus message about not being able to open /dev/console.  (As I
recall, there were two `syslog's on our 4.2 tapes; at most one
of them---the one in sendmail's aux directory---worked at all.)
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