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From: daveh@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Re: Rowing through the fog
Message-ID: <714@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 9-Sep-86 16:11:28 EDT
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Posted: Tue Sep  9 16:11:28 1986
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> In article <32500064@uiucdcsb>, mcewan@uiucdcsb.CS.UIUC.EDU says:
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>>>> What's the big deal about "dying" to prove your love when you know you can
>>>> come back from the grave at will?
>      
>>>      Christ's sacrafice wasn't His life-- it was going through the pain of
>>> death.  And crucifixion is a *very* painful death indeed.
>      
>>For human beings. Trivial for an omnipotent God.
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>      Agony is trivial?  News to me.
>      
>      Omnipotent or not, He was in *human* form.  He felt everything that humans
> feel, including extreme pain.
>      

In human form, its very unlikely that being nailed to a cross would cause
severe agony.  Severe pain, yes, for a few moments.  But overall, the loss
of blood, shock, etc. would remove the pain and probably render the victim
unconscious.  Certainly not a way I would choose to die, but there are 
far worse.  Professional torturers, like those in Nazi Germany or during
the Spanish Inquisition perfected ways of sustaining pain for more than
a few minutes.  On a scale of what non-devine humans have felt in death,
crucifixion is low on the scale.  Unfortunately, men are far more 
efficient at hurting each other.

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Dave Haynie    {caip,ihnp4,allegra,seismo}!cbmvax!daveh

	"I gained nothing at all from Supreme Enlightenment, and
	 for that very reason it is called Supreme Enlightenment."
							-Gotama Buddha

	These opinions are my own, though for a small fee they be yours too.
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