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From: throopw@dg_rtp.UUCP (Wayne Throop)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: metamorphoses... Sagan-Greenhouse ==> Thoop-solar-collector
Message-ID: <577@dg_rtp.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 11-Sep-86 11:23:54 EDT
Article-I.D.: dg_rtp.577
Posted: Thu Sep 11 11:23:54 1986
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Summary: ... in which Ted inserts another few yards of foot into his mouth.

> ted@imsvax.UUCP (Ted Holden)
>> throopw@dg_rtp.UUCP (Wayne Throop)

> Wayne Throop, from the "Known World" writes:

As usual, you got it wrong.  *YOU* are from the known world (or rather,
the "other side" of it).  *I*'m from dg_rtp.

(And that's "Throop", not "Thoop".)

> Solar collectors, as I understand them, involve FOCUSING large amounts
> of energy on a small area either through lenses or parabolic reflectors.

As usual, you understand wrong.  A common example of a solar collector
that does not involve FOCUSING, lenses, or reflectors is the panels
often used to heat water.  (In fact, these are based on the greenhouse
effect, and can easily reach 180 degrees or so.  This is hardly a limit,
of course... simply a design constraint.)

Of course, this renders your rather ill-thought-out notions of the
potential focusing effects of Venus' atmosphere irrelevant.

> The books BY Sagan and his ilk speak of a "super-greenhouse-theory";
> they don't speak of any solar collector theories.

Somewhat silly point, Ted, since a greenhouse *IS* a solar collector.

> Sorry, throop,  I'm more of a big-game hunter than that.  I mean, I'll
> stick to debunking SAGAN;

Ha!  You really ought to be more careful Ted... stalking around
half-armed in a duel of wits is a little dangerous...

I mean really... Ted has demonstrated over and over that he is barely up
to a high-school level of understanding in the sciences.  And yet he is
going to "debunk" Sagan.  Right.  Good luck, I'm sure.

> Ever wonder what
> Wayne Throop does when he's not "debunking" me and my theories or my
> "debating tactics"?  The following is from net.physics:

>>   [puzzle: deduce the subjective acceleration in a spaceship
>>            circumnavigating the galaxy in 50 years subjective time.]

> You can always tell the types who are keen on reality.......  I mean, it
> SHOWS.  A CAR with an engine capable of centripetal acceleration
> wouldn't need steering gear, and if Throop ever DOES get his spaceship
> to rolling that hard, he'd best HOPE it's rolling in a straight line.

It's a little unclear what Ted might mean by this... apparently he finds
the puzzle funny, or impossible, or something.  There is a slight
implication that I've used the terms "centripetal" and/or "engine"
incorrectly.  If Ted meant the implication, it just demonstrates that he
doesn't know what the terms mean in this context.  As usual.

ANYhow, I'm sure than anybody with more intelligence than a tree-frog
can *tell* from the above what I do (on the net, anyway) when I'm not
pointing out the numerous flaws in Ted's so-called "reasoning".  I'm
having fun the old-fashioned way...  I'm *thinking*.  Come to think of
it, it's fun to point out Ted's blunders, too.  (Hmpf. So there.)

> I write articles to net.origins on occasion for the benefit of a small
> handfull of people out there who can and have learned something from
> them;

Polls have (allegedly) found the size of this audience to be zero.

> I'm not even INTERESTED in debating you, Throop.

Then why do you seem to attempt it so often, I wonder?  Attempt and fail
horribly.  In fact, Ted may have just set a new record for "number of
subjects Ted has demonstrated ignorance of in a single posting".  I
mean, we've got network pathnames, solar collectors, engines, and the
notion of "centripetal acceleration".  Nah... I think I remember one
where he had at least six such... nice try, though, Ted.

> [... nice] pig you got there [...] "I was TALKING TO the duck".

Quack, quack, I'm sure.  (Or maybe oink, oink?)

--
"I don't ask questions.... I just have FUN!"
                                --- Bugs Bunny
--
"A straight line may be the shortest route between two points,
 but it is by no means the most interesting!"
                                --- The Doctor
--
Theeeere y' go man!  Keep as cooooool as y' can!
Give miles and miles of smiles.  It riles them to believe that you
perceive the web they weave.
                                --- Moody Blues
-- 
Wayne Throop      <the-known-world>!mcnc!rti-sel!dg_rtp!throopw