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From: mcewan@uiucdcsb.CS.UIUC.EDU
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Subject: Re: Rowing through the fog
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Date: Sun, 14-Sep-86 18:12:00 EDT
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Posted: Sun Sep 14 18:12:00 1986
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Nf-From: uiucdcsb.CS.UIUC.EDU!mcewan    Sep 14 17:12:00 1986


>>>> What's the big deal about "dying" to prove your love when you know you can
>>>> come back from the grave at will?
>     
>>>      Christ's sacrafice wasn't His life-- it was going through the pain of
>>> death.  And crucifixion is a *very* painful death indeed.
>     
>>For human beings. Trivial for an omnipotent God.
>     
>      Agony is trivial?  News to me.

Are you a god?

>      Omnipotent or not, He was in *human* form.  He felt everything that humans
> feel, including extreme pain.

But what is pain as we know it to an omnipotent being?  For an immortal,
omnipotent being to spend a finite amount of time experiencing pain as
finite creatures know it is trivial.

>      BTW, in case you feel like another knee-jerk anti-religious response, I
> just wanted to know that I'm an agnostic.

This is something I thought about a great deal before deciding that the
Christian reasoning about Jesus' "sacrifice" was complete nonsense. You,
on the other hand, appear to have just parroted the Christian line without
giving any thought to it.

And I am not fanatically anti-religious, I just get irritated when someone
spouts nonsense as though it were obviously true.

>  I just get ticked off when people
> try to argue things they know nothing about.

So do I.

		Scott McEwan
		{ihnp4,pur-ee}!uiucdcs!mcewan

"Guy's brain-damaged, but he's not stupid."