Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!ut-sally!im4u!oakhill!davet From: davet@oakhill.UUCP (Dave Trissel) Newsgroups: net.physics,talk.philosophy.misc Subject: Fraud-proof PK experiment done (Also interesting to QM/Free Will debate) Message-ID: <771@oakhill.UUCP> Date: Wed, 17-Sep-86 16:54:31 EDT Article-I.D.: oakhill.771 Posted: Wed Sep 17 16:54:31 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 19-Sep-86 22:18:14 EDT References: <428@inuxm.UUCP> Reply-To: davet@oakhill.UUCP (Dave Trissel) Distribution: net Organization: Motorola Inc. Austin, Tx Lines: 97 Xref: mnetor net.physics:2970 talk.philosophy.misc:45 [....] An interesting parapsychological experiment which appears to be fraud proof has shown dramatic results in it's first run. This may have implications for the discussion on 'quantum physics and free will' so I have included net.philosophy. Parapsychologist Helmut Schmidt has been working for several years on studying PK (mind over matter) effects on random event generators (REGs.) He has simple yet effective experiment which, if followups are as succesfull as the orignal (which we shall soon know), practically rules out fraud and any other explanation at flaws in experimental design. Hard to believe? Read on. Helmut claimed to find out years ago that some people could actually mias so- called random event generators. He also discovered (and this is VERY hard to believe) that they could even bias the REG *even if the sampled REG had performed it's run in the past*! The experimental protocol that was then used is as follows: 1) Tape record a specific number of random events from an REG 2) Make an exact copy of the tape 3) Put one tape in a safe 4) Use a random table to decide which way a subject should try to bias the tape (either more ones or zeroes to appear) 5) Gave the tape to a subject and let them listen to it while trying to bias it in the proper direction. 6) Get the tape back and test it for the bias desired 7) Compare the tape to the one in the safe to determine that they are identical. The results were that Helmut claimed a statistically significant amount of the time (P<.05) that the tapes were found to be biased in the proper direction. The reason for the tape in the safe is obvious. By comparing the duplicate from the safe with the tape the subject brought back one could determine if the subject had physically altered the tape. (Which would mean they cheated or that PK had somehow flipped and altered the bits on the subject's tape.) By the way, this type of experiment is called a time-displacement PK experiment since the subject is trying to effect something which has already happended. Given the above scenario there is still room for critics. For example, how does Helmut choose which way the subject will bias the tape? (He uses a standard random number table for this.) But most important is the spector of experimental fraud. After all, all the information is under the control of the experimenter. Here is where Helmut adds a delicious twist to the experiment which completely removes him from any effect and allows any skeptic to fully participate at the same time! Helmut says to the skeptic, "Here are ten cassette tapes numbered one through ten each with N bits of one/zero data on them. Now that they are in your hands you tell me for each one whether you want ones or zeroes to appear more often on the tape. Put them away in the safest place you know. Now I will go to my subjects and have them concentrate on copies of these tapes at their leisure. When they are done I will come back to you and you listen to your tapes and count the ones/zeroes yourself on your tape recorder and tell me what you find." Now the skeptic has only him/herself to blame for the fraud since he/she not only chose the direction of bias for each tape but also had exclusive control of the tapes all along and determined the results at the end of the experiment! The first run of this experiment was done with duplicate copies of the ten tapes given to two people, one a "well respected" parapsychologist and the other to a scientist who was well disposed to the field. Each of these people had a second person involved to guarantee that the first person did not tamper with the tapes in any way. The results were that 9 of the 10 tapes matched the direction of bias specified. (I think the odds are 1 in 256 of this happening.) The experiment is currently being repeated but I have no futher details. I will report the results when I come across them. For more information you can order a tape which describes this from CSICOP (The Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the paranormal.) The tape is from the 1986 CSICOP conference and is all the more remarkable as it also contains an excellent session by ex-parapsychologist Susan Blackmore (who makes a one-line aside against Schmidt's critics.) Anyone who thinks they have an open mind (don't we all?) would do well to listen to Blackmore's lecture. Order the tape from: CSICOP Box 229 Buffalo, NY 14215-0229 (716) 834-3222 1986 CSICOP Conference Session I $9.95 + $1.50 postage and handling. -- David Trissel Motorola, Austin {seismo,ihnp4}!ut-sally!im4u!oakhill!davet