Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!columbia!caip!princeton!allegra!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!mtune!mtunf!mtx5c!mtx5d!mtx5a!mat From: mat@mtx5a.UUCP (m.terribile) Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,net.legal,net.singles Subject: Re: Re: Re: Commission on Pornography -- reply to GWSmith Message-ID: <1544@mtx5a.UUCP> Date: Sat, 20-Sep-86 00:06:16 EDT Article-I.D.: mtx5a.1544 Posted: Sat Sep 20 00:06:16 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 15-Sep-86 20:25:20 EDT References: <1487@mtx5a.UUCP> <15487@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <1506@mtx5a.UUCP> <15596@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <1522@mtx5a.UUCP> <987@whuts.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: AT&T Information Systems, Middletown, NJ 07748-4801. Lines: 65 Xref: mnetor talk.politics.misc:117 net.legal:3561 net.singles:10351 > > The dividing line, which you are arguing (I think) cannot be drawn, is the > > point at which a photographic or cinematic depiction is designed for *nothing* > > except sexual arousal. Triggering sexual arousal is not communication in any > > sense related to the purposes of the Constitution. Or at least it appears that > > the Supreme Court has held this to be the case. > > AH! Now we have gotten to the *crux* of the matter: > sexual arousal > > Nothing here about rape, nothing here about violence, nothing here > about unwanted pregnancies, sexually transmitted diseases, nope > just plain sexual arousal. > ... > Let's ban *anything* which may lead people to that awful, disgusting > *sinful* pleasure of *SEXUAL AROUSAL*!! >... > Amidst all the noise about rape, violence, etc, you have finally stated > the true desire of the Meese Commission and the right-wing fascists > trying to take away our rights to private pleasures. Their desire Or, rather, the question of whether turning sexual arousal into a commodity to be traded at the price the market will bear, and provided with all the moral integrity of Big Business, is causing harm, doing good, or being indifferent. How much is it worth to you to have a camera in your bedroom so we can film what you do and publish it? Ten thousand, hundred thousand? How about a million? Oops, you're about to be undersold by a couple of starving kids in the ghetto who'll do it for a hundred-and-fifty. ``Orgasms are up two in heavy trading on reports of a major new marketing campaign ...'' (Oh, let me be silly once in a while! Trying to answer all of the silly ways you encapsulate *your* agendas is getting to me!) Sexual arousal is a means by which people may be manipulated. A woman known as CYNTHIA got intelligence information that turned WWII out of very loyal officers of Vichy France: I discovered how easy it was to make highly trained, professionally close-mouted patriots give away secrets in bed, and I swore to close my ears to everything of value on our side. The greatest joy is a man and woman together. Making love allows a discharge of all those private innermost thoughts that have accumulated. In this sudden flood, everything is released. Everything. I just never dared to learn our own secrets ... CYNTHIA, later Elizabeth Amy Thorpe (real name still secret) quoted in ``A Man Called INTREPID''. Hardly the stuff we want traded on the Mercantile Exchange ... -- from Mole End Mark Terribile (scrape .. dig ) mtx5b!mat (Please mail to mtx5b!mat, NOT mtx5a! mat, or to mtx5a!mtx5b!mat) (mtx5b!mole-end!mat will also reach me) ,.. .,, ,,, ..,***_*.