Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!gatech!akgua!lcuxlm!whuxl!houxm!mtuxo!mtune!mtund!adam From: adam@mtund.UUCP (Adam V. Reed) Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,net.legal,net.singles Subject: Re: Attorney General's Commission on Pornography Message-ID: <776@mtund.UUCP> Date: Wed, 10-Sep-86 11:24:25 EDT Article-I.D.: mtund.776 Posted: Wed Sep 10 11:24:25 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 11-Sep-86 07:31:15 EDT References: <1487@mtx5a.UUCP> <1233@princeton.UUCP> <897@usl.UUCP> <1518@mtx5a.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: AT&T ISL Middletown NJ USA Lines: 45 Xref: mnetor talk.politics.misc:29 net.legal:3505 net.singles:10175 >>[From Commissioner Dietz' statement] >>The person who follows the patterns of social behavior >>promoted by pornography is a person for whom love, affection, marriage, >>procreation, and responsibility are absolutely irrelevant to sexual >>conduct... We do not need research to tell us that such persons on the >>average contribute more than other persons to rates of illegitimacy, >>teenage pregnancy, abortion, and sexually transmitted diseases. Mark Terribile (mtx5b!mat) writes: > If, on the other hand, you are saying that this behavior is not promoted by > pornography, or by *some* pornogrpahy, or that *no* pornogrpahy promotes this > behavior, we have a topic for discussion. What is at issue is the assumption that the omission of certain behaviors from books and films *promotes* attitudes which would lead to the omission of those behaviors in real life. Now this assumption is, in general, demonstrably false. For example, in real life, the requirement that police detectives be accountable for their actions makes for a great deal of tedious paperwork. This paperwork in almost never depicted, and seldom mentioned, in a typical detective story. Does this mean that detective stories promote the attitude that accountability is irrelevant to police work? No: a normal person knows that films and books, like all art, constitute a *selective* re-creation of reality. The fact that police paperwork is not depicted in detective stories does not lead the audience to lessen their expectation that the cops will remain accountable for their actions, and does not lead the cops to omit paperwork from their schedule. Now let us suppose that behaviors required by love, affection, marriage, procreation, and responsibility are indeed routinely omitted from fuck films. Does that mean that normal people, who know that films are a *selective* re-creation of reality, will be led thereby to omit those behaviors from their own sex lives? I see no reason to suppose that anything of the sort could be reasonably expected to happen. Indeed, Dietz's statement would be somewhat puzzling if it were not for the fact that its author spends most of his time studying violent criminals. Now some violent criminals are notorious for their inability to distinguish between reality and fiction; their crimes often resemble verbatim reproductions of behavior read about in books or seen on the screen. Dietz's assumption is an example of what we psychologists call the Psychiatric Fallacy: making generalizations about human behavior on the basis of clinical experience limited to severely disturbed individuals. And it is reasonable to assume that Mark selected the most persuasive excerpt from the commission report, so the rest is likely to be worse. Adam Reed (mtund!adam)