Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!lll-crg!hoptoad!tim From: tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney) Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,net.sf-lovers,net.singles Subject: Re: L. S. de Camp/WorldCon Message-ID: <1085@hoptoad.uucp> Date: Thu, 11-Sep-86 09:40:24 EDT Article-I.D.: hoptoad.1085 Posted: Thu Sep 11 09:40:24 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 11-Sep-86 21:28:29 EDT References: <422@inuxm.UUCP> Reply-To: tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney) Distribution: net Organization: Centram Systems, Berkeley Lines: 38 Xref: mnetor talk.politics.misc:34 net.sf-lovers:8352 net.singles:10190 Sorry, this is in the right thread but not in response to the proper message. Concerning L. Sprague de Camp's justification for his Time letter, saying that the sexual revolution was about a change to a polygamous/hedonistic mating pattern: nothing could be further from the truth. First, as I have already stated, the sexual revolution was about sexual freedom and sexual privacy regardless of orientation, monogamous or polygamous, gay or straight (not that there's any real difference, but people think there is, so...). Second, hedonism and polygamy are not related. A person who feels stifled by years of a single monogamous relationship, suppressing all sexual feelings outside the relationship, will find his or her sexual desires tending more and more toward the suppressed forms of sex, and so will tend to link pleasure-seeking with polygamy; but in fact there is just as much pleasure to be had in one partner over a thousand nights as in a thousand partners each for one night. Pleasure is what hedonism is about; it has nothing to do with multiple partners. That de Camp is one such frustrated monogamist is made clear by his remarks at a recent convention that he wishes now he had taken advantage of more of the sexual opportunities of his youth. (My companion of five years, Pam Troy, works for Locus, so I get to hear all this juicy gossip.) This is classic in its demonstration of dogmatic monogamy leading eventually to a feeling that much greater pleasure could be had with multiple partners, and a wistful longing that one had indulged in this much greater pleasure. Note that I am not advocating sexual promiscuity for everyone. I am almost entirely monogamous myself. What I am saying is that the suppression of non-monogamous sexual desires doesn't work; pushing energy into the subconscious only makes it stronger at a later date. These desires, even if they are never acted on, should be treated as natural and good, a part of life, and then the fatal suppression into the subconscious mind will not take place; so sexual desire will not become warped as it obviously has in de Camp's case. -- Tim Maroney, Electronic Village Idiot and Damn Proud of It {ihnp4,sun,well,ptsfa,lll-crg,frog}!hoptoad!tim (uucp) hoptoad!tim@lll-crg (arpa) Warning! Dogmatic responses will be ignored, or, more likely, insulted.