Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!mcnc!duke!crm From: crm@duke.UUCP (Charlie Martin) Newsgroups: net.religion,talk.religion,net.origins Subject: Re: The Cosmological Argument Message-ID: <8443@duke.duke.UUCP> Date: Thu, 14-Aug-86 23:51:56 EDT Article-I.D.: duke.8443 Posted: Thu Aug 14 23:51:56 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 16-Aug-86 06:09:12 EDT References: <15222@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <988@hoptoad.uucp> <15254@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Reply-To: crm@duke.UUCP (Charlie Martin) Organization: Duke University, Durham NC Lines: 16 Xref: linus net.religion:10419 talk.religion:6 net.origins:3363 This whole arghument is based on the idea of a "reason" for something to happen -- which seems to be identical to a "cause" for something existing; then the total/partial-ordering of reasons argument is just the old first-cause argument for the existence of a creator (often spelled with a capital letter.) But the underlying assumption in this is that all events must have a "cause" -- and observation does not bear that out, especially on a quantum level. Once there are non-causal events, then the ordering breaks down. As does the argument. -- Charlie Martin (...mcnc!duke!crm)