Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!yale!husc6!seismo!lll-crg!nike!ucbcad!ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdcc6!sdcc3!za56 From: za56@sdcc3.ucsd.EDU (Brian McNeill) Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,net.religion.christian Subject: Re: Christian Roots of the U.S. Message-ID: <3577@sdcc3.ucsd.EDU> Date: Wed, 10-Sep-86 15:43:45 EDT Article-I.D.: sdcc3.3577 Posted: Wed Sep 10 15:43:45 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 15-Sep-86 02:52:27 EDT References: <1583@vax135.UUCP> Reply-To: za56@sdcc3.UUCP (Brian McNeill) Followup-To: talk.religion.misc Distribution: na Organization: U.C. San Diego, Academic Computer Center Lines: 34 Xref: linus talk.religion.misc:40 net.religion.christian:4621 In article <1583@vax135.UUCP> gks@vax135.UUCP (Ken Swanson) writes: >The following is based on excerpts from a sermon, "Church and State," by >Question: Did the founders of this nation intend it to be a secularist, > neutral, humanist nation; or did they believe that this was > a nation created to the glory of God and that it was to be a > godly, Christian state? > >[Constitution of Virginia, 1620] >[Plymouth Rock, 1600s] >[Fundamental orders of Connecticut, 1639] These were not of our country. This was before the revolution, and listed were colonies of the British empire. In the constitution, it expressly states that there shall be a separation between church and state, and that it shall remain unbroken. Let me point out something you might have missed...a large portion of the Founding Fathers were atheists, agnostics, or deistic freethinkers, including such people as Thomas Jefferson (agnostic), Thomas Paine (atheist), Ben Franklin (freethinker), John Adams (atheist), etc. And these were the people who founded our country, not the Puritans and whatnot that you quoted. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ken Swanson >AT&T Bell Labs >... ihnp4!vax135!gks /-----------------------------------------------------------\ | Brian McNeill ARPA : za56@sdcc3.ucsd.edu | | HASA "A" Division UUCP : ...!sdcsvax!sdcc6!sdcc3!za56 | |-----------------------------------------------------------| ! "This would be the best of all possible worlds if there ! ! were no religion in it," -- John Adams, 2nd US President ! \-----------------------------------------------------------/