Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!lll-crg!nike!ucbcad!ucbvax!RED.RUTGERS.EDU!SHULMAN From: SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU (Jeffrey Shulman) Newsgroups: mod.mac Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V2 #44 Message-ID: <12238191556.59.SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Thu, 11-Sep-86 19:54:03 EDT Article-I.D.: RED.12238191556.59.SHULMAN Posted: Thu Sep 11 19:54:03 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 12-Sep-86 19:51:40 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 666 Approved: info-mac@sumex-aim.arpa Delphi Mac Digest Thursday, 11 September 1986 Volume 2 : Issue 44 Today's Topics: RE: Sector Tags (Re: Msg 12498) (4 messages) Copy Perversion Hall of Shame (9 messages) quickdraw 3-d (2 messages) cable problems RE: TML Pascal and MacIsh Stuff Apple Announcements NL ARTICLES WANTED! RE: Radius FPD (Re: Msg 12544) RE: Desk Accessory Idea... (2 messages) RE: DeskTop Publishing Expo (Re: Msg 12607) Fullpaint default fonts DataFrame, the first impression. (3 messages) Switcher/MacWrite/new ROMs HyperDrive 2000 update carrier detect (2 messages) MAC SNAP MEM. Prologs for the Mac (2 messages) Font/DA mover problem ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DWB (12564) Subject: RE: Sector Tags (Re: Msg 12498) Date: 7-SEP-23:06: MUGS Online To: Werner Uhrig From: bill@hao.UUCP (Bill Roberts) > Subject: TML Pascal and MacIsh Stuff > 2) How can I turn a MacPaint file into a PICT resource? And then read > in this resource and display the picture in a grafport (i.e. window). Get the MacPaint image into the clipboard. All Macs come with a nifty utility to turn clipboard data into resources; it's called Scrapbook. Once the PICT resource is in the Scrapbook file, you can use ResEdit to copy it into your own resource file. Then do a GetPicture() and DrawPicture() on it. David Dunham "If voting could change the system, it would be illegal. If Maitreya Design not voting could change the system, it would be be illegal." ------------------------------ From: BMUG (12599) Subject: Apple Announcements Date: 9-SEP-02:44: Hardware & Peripherals A couple of BMUG'gers got together tonite and put together the rumors that have been heard about this EIGHT MEGABYTE Hard Disk that Apple was allegedly coming out with (according to InfoWorld) and something else that had been seen at Apple, to determine: Apple will be announcing, within two weeks (along with another dozen products or so): An EIGHT MEGABYTE SCSI Non-volatile RAMdisk, to work with the Mac+ & //GS! We've also heard that Apple has figured out how to get in the news EVERY day.... by rolling out a DIFFERENT new product during each day of this EXECUTIVE BRIEFING week next week. Many Delphites are invited to the different briefings in different cities, so I'm sure we'll get reports from all over. -- Raines / Team BMUG ------------------------------ From: BMUG (12600) Subject: NL ARTICLES WANTED! Date: 9-SEP-02:56: MUGS Online DEADLINE: SEPTEMBER 30! DEADLINE: SEPTEMBER 30! Write now! The BMUG Fall 1986 Newsletter is underway, and we need YOUR articles! We expect this newsletter to be similar in size to previous issues, so we need LOTS of quality material to fill it out. We are looking for articles on almost ANY topic dealing with computing in general, from beginning tutorials on subjects that should be obvious (but aren't) to tips for hackers and code segments, comparisons of development systems, and so on. We prefer articles with a lasting reference value, rather than some commentary on the current version of program x. Humorous material and illustrations are also appreciated; we promise to give PROPER ILLUSTRATION CREDIT, something we did not quite do in the previous newsletter. We prefer articles in MacWrite documents, with illustrations SEPARATELY in MacDraw or MacPaint format. We recommend calling the BMUG office at (415) 549-BMUG to find out if we're interested in a particular topic or whether we already have 5 people writing that particular article. All contributors whose submissions are accepted and printed in the Newsletter will receive a free 1 semester membership in BMUG (or an extension to their current membership). All submissions become the property of BMUG, unless you place a copyright notice in your article, in which case you retain all rights (but grant BMUG the rights of 1st serial publication, on-line publication, and book form publication). [ The above is subject to negotiation. ] We WILL accept articles that have appeared in other magazines and newsletters, so long as we think they are appropriate, and so long as the article is not restricted. The best (safest) way to submit articles is to mail them to: Fall '86 Newsletter Submission BMUG 1442A Walnut #62 Berkeley, CA 94709 but, if you wish, you can upload them and DMAIL them to BMUG. Be sure to write your name, address, and phone# on the disk label! -- Raines Cohen / Team BMUG ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM (12610) Subject: RE: Radius FPD (Re: Msg 12544) Date: 9-SEP-09:02: Hardware & Peripherals I thought the main reason the Radius FPD was not compatible with clip-on upgrades is that Radius wants to be able to offer their 1-year warranty without having to engage in a finger-pointing exercise if something goes wrong in a twice-upgraded Mac. Secondary reason is that Burrell has a low opinion of some clip-on upgrades. ------------------------------ From: NAKMAN (12618) Subject: RE: Desk Accessory Idea... Date: 9-SEP-20:24: Network Digests To: "Bob Soron" Subject: Desk Accessory Idea... Bob - There is a handy little FKEY that comes with LightSpeed Pascal that will insert {} marks around a section of text in any program, so it would seem like a simple mod would be all that is necessary to change it to > ... Any LS Pascal programmers out there? -- Raines Cohen / BMUG ------------------------------ From: JIMH (12641) Subject: RE: Desk Accessory Idea... Date: 10-SEP 01:14 Network Digests The method used in that fkey is a good one for getting around messing with a DA's data. it is to cut it to the clipboard then run this fkey which mods the clipboad then paste it back in your file. jim ------------------------------ From: BMUG (12626) Subject: RE: DeskTop Publishing Expo (Re: Msg 12607) Date: 9-SEP-21:46: Hardware & Peripherals Dave, But as far as I can tell, WriteNow has a few flaws: 1. It doesn't do decimal tabs (or did I miss 'em?). 2. It locks you in to a specific number of columns for a whole document. 3. It doesn't move footnotes to endnotes (which I need) unless I missed it. These flaws are fatal enough to make other in-the-works babies hopefuls for me. Linda Team BMUG ------------------------------ From: PIZZAMAN (12620) Subject: Fullpaint default fonts Date: 9-SEP-20:36: Bugs & Features Just loaded the latest version of fullpaint onto my HD-20. Was dissappointed to find that it defaulted to the upper-most font on the menu, which happened to be Boise on my hard disk system. This is not my choice of default. How come it doesn't default to Geneva like a good Mac software program should. Is there anyway to correct this? Barry ------------------------------ From: INC (12621) Subject: DataFrame, the first impression. Date: 9-SEP-20:50: Hardware & Peripherals Well got the DataFrame 20 in the mail today and so far, it seems _real_ slick. Except for the screw that was loose and shaking around inside (really!), I've had no problems. I heard, via Ric, that this loose screw problem is popular. Anyone else have it or know where it belongs?? SuperMac was unavailable for comment. (No one answered the phone...) It seems real fast (it's not the XP version btw) and not too noisy. I'll keep everyone posted if anything turns up with the screw. (Alf, no loose screw jokes, please. :-> ) [BTW, is that Spooler on here somewhere??) Josh MacInTouch ------------------------------ From: MOUSEKETEER (12666) Subject: RE: DataFrame, the first impression. (Re: Msg 12664) Date: 10-SEP 22:15 Hardware & Peripherals Since the Subject for this thread is still "DataFrame, the first impression", it looks like a handy place to hang this note. My DataFrame 20, around 30 days old, make it's second "ratchet" noise yesterday just as I had chosen to print a letter out. The drive just made an odd "grind" noise, and the Mac screen went to a very strange moire pattern and froze. Shutting everything down seemed to fix whatever happened, except of course that my letter (Word) was ozoned. Attempt to use Word Rescue only brought up a previous letter I had saved. I'm starting to look at the DataFrame with a wary eye. Alf ------------------------------ From: INC (12679) Subject: RE: DataFrame, the first impression. (Re: Msg 12666) Date: 11-SEP 07:59 Hardware & Peripherals Have you called them? (SuperMac) I'd be interested to hear their support answer. josh ------------------------------ From: NAKMAN (12623) Subject: Switcher/MacWrite/new ROMs Date: 9-SEP-21:08: Bugs & Features A BMUG member has reported problems using the following configuration: >> Any Switcher > 4.0 (up to the latest, 5.0Bn) >> MacWrite 4.5 >> Mac+ or 512e (i.e. 128K ROM's) >> Giving MacWrite 200K or less >> Turning on "Save Screens" Symptom: When you go to save, the file starts saving, but hangs. My idea: MacWrite used to have 180K as the "preferred" amount of elbow room. Saving screens with Switcher eats up some RAM; When you do a "Save as..." under HFS, the dialog box has to read in a whole lot of directory to show the existing file and folder names, eating up additional memory. Perhaps this pushes MacWrite beyond the limit of how much free space it needs to save. solution: Wait for Apple to fix it, or give MacWrite more memory, or use the old ROMs, or use the old MacWrite, or use some other Word Processor, or don't use Switcher, or take a vacation from Word Processing. -- Raines ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (12634) Subject: HyperDrive 2000 update Date: 9-SEP-23:19: Hardware & Peripherals It turns out that the folks at GCC read the Delphi digests via Usenet or Arpanet I guess you can post comments you'd like to get across if calling the phone number is too aggrivating. Anyway, the very kind Elena Gonzales of GCC is trying to find out what the exact situation is with TOPS on the Hyper2000, and we're supposed to get another unit with _128K_ ROMs. I'll be posting the results as we go along. Ric ------------------------------ From: JIMH (744) Subject: carrier detect Date: 10-SEP 21:41 Current Discussions Peter, how would i go about doing carrier detect for a hayes modem from the mac serial ports? jim ps i am not working on a terminal program (grin) ------------------------------ From: PEABO (745) Subject: RE: carrier detect (Re: Msg 744) Date: 10-SEP 23:49 Current Discussions Carrier is on pin 8 of the RS-232 cable (and something else on the minicircular 8 connector, see the tech notes). A lot of "smart" modems have the same signal on cariier deetct as on clear to send (pin 5). Hope that helps a bit. peter ------------------------------ From: SYNTHONY (12667) Subject: MAC SNAP MEM. Date: 10-SEP 23:49 Hardware & Peripherals I received a Mac Snap memory expansion last week and am having problems. I was finally upgrading my last Mac (had one sitting around 128K), and ordered a 1.5 Meg board. The connectors used in the board (that sits on top of the Mac board) seats on top of the original chips and makes the connections on the sides of the socketed chips. My techs found that at least 3 (sometimes more) connections PER CHIP were not happening! A call to Mac Snap said that some of the early 128K Macs had some chips that were SMALLER in physical size... Any comments?? Bill ------------------------------ From: IVANOVIC (12668) Subject: Prologs for the Mac Date: 11-SEP 00:21 Programming I'd like to learn Prolog, and so Ive kept my eyes open for Prologs for the Mac. I know of four: (1) ExperTelligences outrageously expensive version, (2) Personal Prolog from Optimized Systems Software (OSS), (3) Chalcedonys Prolog/m and (4) Advanced A.I. Systems Prolog. I am interested in any comments you may have about these Prologs (or any others for the Mac) because, even though I am well versed in the Macintosh, I have virtually no knowledge of the language Prolog. I dont know what features are essential, which ones are icing on the cake, nor which "features" are to be avoided like the plague. I'd like to hear from you. ExperTelligence's Prolog is a French implementation (i.e. Marseilles syntax), complete with a Mac-ish interface. I think it's an interpreter (but I could be wrong.) I don't know about access to the Toolbox or to Quickdraw. If prior experience with ExperTelligence is any guide, the product will ultimately be a professional, but pricey one. It's $495!!! OSS's ad (in the June 1986 issue of MacTutor) features a performance comparison in which (surprise, surprise) they do better than their competition, various IBM PC Prologs. They claim a "standard Macintosh interface" for their up to 7 window editor and "extensive interface to the Macintosh ToolBox." Notice that it didn't say "complete." OSS claims that "most forms" of both the Marseilles and the Edinburgh syntax are supported. It is an interpreter. The "Special Introductory Offer" (no expiration date!) is a reasonable $75. In the same issue of MacTutor is an ad by Chalcedony advertising Prolog/m. This might be a port from their IBM PC version, Prolog/i which I seem to remember from a while back. It is not, however, one of the Prologs that OSS mentions in their ad. Edinburgh syntax, floating point and math functions (whatever that means) are supported. A complete expert system, a collection of subroutines (called Toolbox - is this the Macintosh Toolbox or just a nifty set of Prolog tools?) and a collection of learning games and puzzles are also available. The Prolog interpreter is $100, while the others are $50, $30 and $30 respectively. I am not sure that it is shipping. AAIS advertised their Prolog in the September 1986 issue of MacTutor. It is compatible with DEC-20 Prolog, C-Prolog and Quintus Prolog. That means (I called up and asked) that 98% of the applications run without modifications, and that the changes which have to be done are "obvious and minor." It comes with a database system, a pretty printer, and an "extensive, interactive" debugger. "Several hundred other built-in functions and features" are also included. Syntax is Edinburgh and Macintosh graphics are supported. No Toolbox support yet, but in the next version. It is an interpreter (compiler in the future.) The person I talked to claimed that their performance was considerably better that OSS's. Price is $150. First ship is scheduled for September 20th. Right now, I'm tending toward the AAIS version. It seems the most complete, if in fact it is compatible with the "standard" Prologs like DEC-20 or Quintus, and it has a supposedly good debugger (that I'm sure I'll desperately need!) Has anyone had experience with any of these? Advanced A.I. Systems, Inc. P.O. Box 39-0360 Mountain View , CA 94039 (415) 961-1121 Chalcedony Software, Inc. 5580 La Jolla Blvd. Suite 126 D La Jolla, CA 92037 ( 619) 483-8513 orders: 1-800-621-0852, ext 468 Optimized Systems Software, Inc. 1221 B Kentwood Ave. San Jose, CA 95129 (408) 446-3099 ------------------------------ From: PEABO (12669) Subject: RE: Prologs for the Mac (Re: Msg 12668) Date: 11-SEP 00:37 Programming Although Turbo Prolog is not available for the Mac (right now), you might enjoy the article about it that appears in the September issue of Dr. Dobbs. peter ------------------------------ From: DSACHS (746) Subject: Font/DA mover problem Date: 10-SEP 23:50 Inside Mac The Font/DA mover has a ridiculously low limit on the number of fonts that can be put in a file. Although inside mac claims that the new ROMS will support thousands of fonts in the System file, Font/Da mover refused to add more fonts when I reached approximately 200 sizes of 64 fonts. It also created a few dangling FONT resources. While it is possible to use the Resource Editor to add more fonts, most of the Fonts I am using are LaserWriter fonts, which require extensive modst to the FOND resources. ------------------------------ End of Delphi Mac Digest ************************ -------