Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!columbia!rutgers!caip!clyde!cuae2!ltuxa!we53!sw013b!dj3b1!killer!ndmce!tp From: tp@ndmce.uucp (Terry Poot) Newsgroups: net.emacs Subject: Re: Question of curiosity: who is still buying Unipress or CCA? Message-ID: <204@ndmce.uucp> Date: Wed, 8-Oct-86 07:51:23 EDT Article-I.D.: ndmce.204 Posted: Wed Oct 8 07:51:23 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 10-Oct-86 03:50:09 EDT References: <5205@cbrma.UUCP> <1196@Diamond.BBN.COM> Reply-To: tp@ndmce.UUCP (Terry Poot) Organization: Nathan D. Maier Consulting Engineers, Dallas Lines: 38 We bought Unipress emacs before we were on the net, so we had not heard of Gnu emacs. However, if I had to do it again, I'm not sure what I'd buy. Unipress emacs only works marginally on our machine, and Unipress is not interested in fixing it. On the other hand, Gnu doesn't work on our machine at all (Masscomp). I haven't looked into CCA, but after having been burned by Unipress (they CLAIM to work on this machine), I don't know if I'd trust them anyway. Unipress emacs does work on this machine, to a large degree (I'm using it now), but most of the packages won't, primarily because filter-region is broken. Thus if you use C mode and hit ESC-j to format your file, it deletes all of your text. Some of the helper utilities are broken as well (like collectmail, making rmail useless). Emacs promised me a fixed version within 2 weeks when I told them of these things (~June, 1985). Needless to say, it never arrived. We are a binary licensee, so I can't fix it. Rumor has it that a Masscomp port of GNU exists, so it is probably just a matter of time before it is merged in. Until then, we limp along with Unipress. I'm not sure I'd ever do business with them again. (The above is not an attack just to be nasty. There has been a lot of praise for Unipress here lately, and they probably deserve it. This account may present a more complete picture to those who might be influenced in their choice of products by this discussion. Any vendor will have a certain number of dissatisfied customers. For what it is worth, I'm the only one I know about for Unipress emacs. Sometimes the business interests of a company are better served by hanging a few customers out to dry, so as to provide better service to the rest. It doesn't help me any, but you might not have these problems with them.) -- Terry Poot, Nathan D. Maier Consulting Engineers, (214)739-4741 8800 N. Central Expressway, Suite 300, Dallas, Tx 75231, USA UUCP: {seismo!c1east | cbosgd!sun | allegra}!convex!ndmce!tp INTERNET: ndmce!tp@seismo.css.gov CSNET: ndmce!tp@smu