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From: werner@ut-ngp.UUCP (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: net.mail
Subject: could you hear me scream ? (or: "why I hate domains")
Message-ID: <4124@ut-ngp.UUCP>
Date: Sun, 12-Oct-86 17:32:57 EDT
Article-I.D.: ut-ngp.4124
Posted: Sun Oct 12 17:32:57 1986
Date-Received: Tue, 14-Oct-86 04:51:09 EDT
Organization: UTexas Computation Center, Austin, Texas
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some folks are trying to convince me that I am unreasonable in my complaints
about addressing problems, ever since this domain-addressing started.
See and have pity ... (BTW, let me repeat:  I *LOVE* the concept of domains,
I *HATE* the implementation so far - at least around here, which, from what
I hear, is not dissimilar from what many of you out there also experience)

Here I get this message:

 Message 41 (1370 characters):
Posted-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 86 11:11:54 edt
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 86 11:11:54 edt
From: seismo!utcs.ARPA!mnetor!scott@ut-sally.UUCP (Scott Campbell)
To: werner@ut-ngp.UUCP
....
Scott J.M. Campbell
-------------------
Bitnet:         SCOTT at UTORONTO
UUCP:           {utzoo, ihnp4, cbosgd, mnetor, utcsri}!utcs!scott
arpa/csnet:     scott@utcs.toronto.edu

[Note: ut-ngp, when I am not logged in, forwards my mail to another machine,
	but that has no bearing here.  just in case you wonder about the
	TOPS-20 MM-commands used here ...]
R>rep
 No such host as "ut-sally.UUCP", address ignored
....
S>to scott@utcs.toronto.edu
?Unrecognized host name "utcs.toronto.edu"
S>to scott@utcs
?Unrecognized host name "utcs"
S>to scott@utcs.arpa
?Unrecognized host name "utcs.arpa"
S>to scott@utcs.csnet

[ so, my machine accepted the last version, which is, of course, no guarantee
  that it will do the right thing to get the mail there ....
..... most users on this machine simply would not know enough about the net
	to be able to "hand-knit" an address and would scoff at the idea that
	they should know.
  BTW: note how seismo (I suspect) sneaked "utcs.ARPA" into the return-path.
	it probably means that if I'd send the message to:
		scott%utcs.ARPA@seismo.css.com
	then seismo would know what to do with it.  Ahh, but you'd have to
	first know that seismo is seismo.css.gov .....  
        Oh, well ....

  I post this, not to make make anyone feel guilty or responsible, only to
  demonstrate a case of which I have seen hundreds just like it over the last
  couple of months.  Aggravating and time-consuming, especially when they
  come bouncing back from some other site that can't figure out what to do
  with a particular address.
]