Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site watdcsu.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watnot!watdcsu!magore From: magore@watdcsu.UUCP (M.A.Gore - ICR) Newsgroups: net.micro Subject: Re: 386 PC vs Sun Message-ID: <2586@watdcsu.UUCP> Date: Sun, 28-Sep-86 02:25:36 EDT Article-I.D.: watdcsu.2586 Posted: Sun Sep 28 02:25:36 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 30-Sep-86 04:31:42 EDT References: <4104@brl-smoke.ARPA> <1038@gilbbs.UUCP> Reply-To: magore@watdcsu.UUCP (M.A.Gore - ICR) Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 36 Summary: In article <1038@gilbbs.UUCP> mc68020@gilbbs.UUCP (Thomas J Keller) writes: >In article <4104@brl-smoke.ARPA>, roberts@NBS-VMS.arpa (ROBERTS, JOHN) writes: >> > From: Joe Kwan >> > ...I think it's save to assume that the 80386 >> > is still too new (IBM doesn't have a 386 PC out yet) and too costly >> > (at least for a Compaq Deskpro 386 {for the price that they want, >> > you could almost go out and buy a Sun}) at this time to consider. >> >> Remember that a 32-bit 80386 running at 16MHz is in the performance >> class of a 32-bit 68020 running at ~16MHz. (Precise comparisons >> depend on what is being done and who is conducting the tests, and >> are highly political.) The 80386 appears to have a number of distinct >> advantages over the 80286 (linear address space, on-chip MMU, etc.) >> (This based on product descriptions of the three processors, and not >> related to peripheral chips, choice of operating system, ....) > > Yeah, maybe. But it's still got the same braindamaged instruction set and > register complement as the 80286, 80186, 8086, 8080, 8008. In otherwords > it is a 32 bit high speed microcontroller chip. Intel *STILL* hasn't > learned how to make *COMPUTERS*. (I doubt they ever will) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes but it's worse the the 68000 took so long to come out. While the teams designing the 68k were backstabbing each other Intel had chips. I like the 68k (have one) IBM *would* have used them had they been out in time. Note that the 68k ref. manual states that the 68k was designed with the 6809 in mind --- so as with Intel for GOOD market reasons. Market reasons are more important then the BEST hardware that can be had (sooooooo sad but true). We live with what we have at the time and that which earns money.... # Mike Gore # Institute for Computer Research. # These ideas/concepts do not imply views held by the University of Waterloo.