Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!munnari!moncskermit!goanna!yabbie!rcopm From: rcopm@yabbie.rmit.oz (Paul Menon) Newsgroups: net.micro.mac Subject: Re: DataFrame 20 Message-ID: <337@yabbie.rmit.oz> Date: Tue, 23-Sep-86 21:34:04 EDT Article-I.D.: yabbie.337 Posted: Tue Sep 23 21:34:04 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 24-Sep-86 23:45:40 EDT References: <2275@psuvax1.UUCP> <202@zen.BERKELEY.EDU> <432@inuxm.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: RMIT Comm & Elec Eng, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 63 Summary: Misinterpretations?, Dangerous Practice? > Mine never takes more than 10 seconds or so to go from flashing question mark > to smiling Mac, unless I power down or reboot without going through shut down > (in the Finder's Special menu). When I shut down, I turn the DataFrame off > AFTER the Mac beeps and BEFORE the disk-with-flashing-question-mark appears. > If you turn it off after the smiling Mac appears, then you'll have to wait > next time you boot up while some data structures are rebuilt on the disk > (the volume allocation bitmap maybe?). I have been amused as to how people shutdown their Dataframes for some time now, and can offer may own humorous, yet possibly sane method. This is how I interpreted SuperMac's instructions, and it seems the safest. * Select the "ShutDown" option as per normal. * WAIT FOR THE THING TO REBOOT COMPLETELY!!! ie, wait for the desktop to appear and the system has subsided into a state of tranquility. * Switch the DataFrame off. * Switch the Mac off. (The order of the last two actions is unimportant) For your further amusement, here are the reasons why I think this method is safe/fast/obvious. * Nobody in their right mind would suggest an action that is only possible within a two or 3 second time window. * The consequences of missing this window are possibly horrendous. Imagine switching the hard disk off halfway through a write as the Mac is coming up to air. I have not heard of any manufacturer suggesting this procedure, ie switching a hard disk off while it is possibly doing something. This includes SuperMac. Maybe I didn't read their instructions as closely as others have. * Using my interpretation, the Dataframe ALWAYS boots up in a matter of seconds. ALWAYS! * Now for what I think happens. * If someone doesn't use the SHUTDOWN procedure, then the Dataframe will possibly be in an UNUPDATED state, ie, there is a bit of housekeeping necessary such as recovering what windows are open, the state of the desktop, etc... * Selecting the SHUTDOWN procedure, waiting for the desktop to appear, and then switching the disk off (without doing anything to modify what the desktop looks like, or even accessing the disk) ensures that the disk will reboot in an UPDATED state. Simple, logical, no? Maybe it is too simple, but that's why I am happy with it. All this stuff about tags, bitmaps and hoo-ha can be left to the experts. * If someone misses the time window, ie the Dataframe is accessed again before the user can switch it off, then the next time a bootup occurs, recovery may be necessary, if one is possible! this is possibly why it then takes a long time to come up. It is statistically improbable for someone to always catch that window. (P.S. I congratulate SuperMac for creating a disk/software package that puts up with such treatment) Paul Menon. Dept of Communication & Electronic Engineering, Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, 124 Latrobe St, Melbourne, 3000, Australia ACSnet: rcopm@yabbie UUCP: ...!seismo!munnari!yabbie.rmit.oz!rcopm CSNET: rcopm@yabbie.rmit.oz ARPA: rcopm%yabbie.rmit.oz@seismo BITNET: rcopm%yabbie.rmit.oz@CSNET-RELAY PHONE: +61 3 660 2619.