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From: woods@hao.UUCP (Greg Woods)
Newsgroups: net.news,net.news.group
Subject: Re: Comments on Reorganization
Message-ID: <230@hao.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 22-Sep-86 20:43:11 EDT
Article-I.D.: hao.230
Posted: Mon Sep 22 20:43:11 1986
Date-Received: Tue, 23-Sep-86 03:47:57 EDT
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Organization: High Altitude Obs./NCAR Boulder, CO
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Summary: Fallacy, fallacy, fallacy... (yawn!)
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In article <923@gilbbs.UUCP>, mc68020@gilbbs.UUCP (Thomas J Keller) writes:
>    B: "Now isn't the time to complain...Herr Hitler has worked very hard on
>        this social reorganization...if he stops now, it could ruin everything"
>    A: "...yes, but that's the whole point, it *ISN'T* a social reorganization,
>        that's just what he's *CALLING* it in order to keep the people from..."
>    B: "But he is the leader.  He can do as he chooses"
>    A: "yes, but he should at least be honest about what he is doing"
>    B: "don't distract him now...let him finish doing away with political
>        freedom, *THEN* complain about it"

  You miss one of the MOST important things about reorganization: it will
make it EASIER to create, delete and rename newsgroups, not harder. Calling
this "doing away with [net] freedom", which is CLEARLY implied in the above,
is just plain incorrect. That article is a total fallacy. Yes, you disclaimed
comparing us to Hitler; Bull. That's the entire message in the above.
  I would personally like to THANK Darryl for some public support (finally!)
All the bitching I've been hearing is almost enough to get me to suggest that
we just forget the whole thing and let the net collapse under it's own weight
(which may happen anyway, but a better organization would sure help). Most
of what I have seen is massive flames over a couple of low-volume newsgroups,
with absolutely NO recognition of what a monumental task reorganizing this
network is. Is it any wonder a couple of mistakes have been made? (Yes,
the deletion of wobegon was an ERROR, not an intentional slight as has
been repeatedly insinuated by some not-so-shy people, and in all likelihood
it will be reinstated before the "rec" groups are created). No, I don't mind
people pointing out mistakes that have been made; all I ask is that it be
done in a reasonable way while acknowledging that a mistake in a task of
this magnitude is understandable. Comparing us to Hitler is the last straw.
Flaming us will NOT get your desires implemented. Requests and reasonable
discussion very well might. Think for a minute what it would be like to be
in our shoes and read all this crap on the net every day. After this, it's
awfully tempting to REALLY be like Hitler and implement first, explain
later (if at all). 

--Greg