Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site hcr.UUCP Path: utzoo!hcr!mike From: mike@hcr.UUCP (Mike Tilson) Newsgroups: net.usenix Subject: Re: announcing the availability of 4.3BSD Usenix manuals Message-ID: <2397@hcr.UUCP> Date: Sun, 5-Oct-86 14:15:39 EDT Article-I.D.: hcr.2397 Posted: Sun Oct 5 14:15:39 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 6-Oct-86 04:47:35 EDT References: <1152@hoptoad.uucp> <15867@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <1817@adobe.UUCP> Organization: Human Computing Resources, Toronto Lines: 37 There have been a number of complaints about the fact that the Usenix printing of the 4.3BSD manuals is only available to Usenix members holding verified 4.3BSD software licenses, since this means ordinary individuals can't buy a copy. As a former member of the Usenix Board of Directors, I was around when the original 4.2 manuals were printed by Usenix. I believe the situation is very similar for 4.3 manuals today. The situation is this: 1. Usenix does not own the copyright to the manuals. The manuals were derived from AT&T sources originally, with lots of stuff added by the University of California at Berkeley. 2. Usenix wishes to provide a service to the UNIX community by making the manuals available at very reasonable cost. Usenix itself has no desire to restrict circulation unnecessarily. 3. Usenix can only distribute this material according to the restrictions imposed by the *owners of the material*. 4. Usenix worked very hard to overcome legal hassles just to get this far. I think there have been some unreasonable flames about Usenix; this is unfair since Usenix has very little control over the distribution policy and without this service the manuals would be much harder to get than they are now. If you don't like the controls on manual distribution, complaints should be directed first to the Regents of the University of California, and second to AT&T. I personally feel it is unreasonable to prevent sales to individuals, but the Usenix Association did not create that situation and shouldn't be blamed for it. As a practical matter, given the widespread sale of thousands of copies to hundreds of institutional licensees, I suspect anyone who wants a copy will have little trouble obtaining one. (Also note that this situation is *not* the fault of the technical group that created 4BSD. As far as I know, they don't like it either.) / Michael Tilson, Human Computing Resources Corp., Toronto, Canada / +1-416-922-1937, {utzoo,decvax,...}!hcr!mike