Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!ucbcad!nike!lll-crg!seismo!gatech!cuae2!ihnp4!ihlpa!gadfly From: gadfly@ihlpa.UUCP (Gadfly) Newsgroups: soc.misc,misc.misc Subject: Re: Poor People/Lazy People Message-ID: <2047@ihlpa.UUCP> Date: Tue, 14-Oct-86 10:14:17 EDT Article-I.D.: ihlpa.2047 Posted: Tue Oct 14 10:14:17 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 16-Oct-86 07:27:40 EDT References: <1010@cad.cs.cmu.edu> <1050001@hpspkla.HP.COM> Distribution: na Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 39 Xref: ucbvax soc.misc:45 misc.misc:9 -- > in response, gadfly says: > *My* ethical system that demands "this obligation"? You say this as if > it had to be some bizarre cultist dogma. I'm a Jew, and my religion > specifies 613 obligations in some detail.[etc] > > Correct me if i'm wrong, but you seem to imply that anyone with any sense > of ethics in their yuppie, designer brains is a Jew (or at least > acknowledges these 613 specific obligations of which you speak). > The person who responded (and me) is asking not why you feel that *you* > have these obligations, but why you feel that they are self-evident > to anyone WASOEITYDB, and whence comes your right to impose said > obligations by force on one who does not share your view of them. > -- > jeanne a. e. devoto Well, I've certainly stirred up a hornet's nest here, haven't I? A number of folks have gotten on my case over both the style and content of my assertions. As to the former, this is a public forum with a large audience. I have an obligation (no, not one of the 613) not just to present my perspectives but to entertain. As Humphrey Bogart put it, "All I owe the public is a good show." As to the latter, I'll restate my case a bit less flippantly: We all have obligations to other people and society in general. This is simply axiomatic. If you don't believe it, I certainly can't force you to, and I wouldn't want to try. There are, as I have noted previously, a number of tantalizingly different ethical philosophies--you have quite a banquet to choose from. I do not proselytize for any particular one. But if you reject them all, then you're adopting the yuppie credo: "The one who dies with the most toys wins." And then I really pity you. Tell me, O ethical egoists, just what do you think life is about anyway? *** *** JE MAINTIENDRAI ***** ***** ****** ****** 14 Oct 86 [23 Vendemiaire An CXCV] ken perlow ***** ***** (312)979-8042 ** ** ** ** ihnp4!ihlpa!gadfly *** *** <== NOTE NEW ADDRESS!