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From: manis@ubc-cs.UUCP (Vincent Manis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Isolation and integration (was Straits in gay bars)
Message-ID: <405@ubc-cs.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 16-Sep-86 15:58:33 EDT
Article-I.D.: ubc-cs.405
Posted: Tue Sep 16 15:58:33 1986
Date-Received: Tue, 23-Sep-86 01:09:50 EDT
References: <328@aw.sei.cmu.edu.sei.cmu.edu> <795@ptsfb.UUCP> <349@ozdaltx.UUCP>
Reply-To: manis@ubc-cs.UUCP (Vincent Manis)
Organization: UBC Department of Computer Science
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Keywords: Intolerance, prejudice, acceptance

In article <349@ozdaltx.UUCP> root@ozdaltx.UUCP (root) writes:
>I've been watching with interest over the past weeks some of the comments
>you guys have made, and even tossed my 2 cents worth in a few times.
>
>I am truly in the dark about something...
>Since, from your postings, I assume that you three are Jewish. My question
>is, do you _really_ experience that much discrimition just because of your
>faith/heritage?
>     OR
>do you think it may be a combination of gayness-background?

Considering that Daniel isn't gay, I doubt that any discrimination to which
he is subjected is gay-based. 

AD HOMINEM MODE ON...
Perhaps many gay motss'ers were as disturbed by Daniel's initial naivete as
was I. At that time, he gave no evidence of understanding why non-gays
(especially men) might be unwelcome in gay bars. Now Scotty (who is gay but
not Jewish) questions whether there is really any discrimination against
Jews. Perhaps you have to experience something personally before you believe
it exists.
END AD HOMINEM MODE

Yes, there is still a fair bit of anti-Semitism in the world. In Canada, we
have a small but dedicated coterie of "Hitler was right" people (of whom
Ernst Zundel made continent-wide newscasts during his trial on hate
propaganda). Entering Canada from the U.S. is the Aryan Nations Church (more
or less interchangeable with Posse Comitatus, an Idaho-based fascist group).

On a personal level, most Jewish people are accustomed to seeing swastika
graffiti, and there are certainly employers who prefer not to hire Jewish
people. The washrooms in our university have a lot more "Kill Chinks" and 
"Death to Paki[stani]s" than "Death to Jews", but I have seen the latter.

To put it another way, much anti-semitism is latent, waiting for the right
climate to burst forth. On the other hand, never forget Bailey Smith
(moderator (?) of the Southern Baptist Church in 1980), who said that God
doesn't listen to the prayers of Jews.