Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbatt!ihnp4!qantel!hplabs!sdcrdcf!ism780c!dianeh From: dianeh@ism780c.UUCP (Diane Holt) Newsgroups: soc.singles Subject: Re: Just read Diane's posting...Re: "Is it just me or, ..." Message-ID: <3627@ism780c.UUCP> Date: Sun, 21-Sep-86 00:32:08 EDT Article-I.D.: ism780c.3627 Posted: Sun Sep 21 00:32:08 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 28-Sep-86 18:33:34 EDT References: <822@cuuxb.UUCP> Reply-To: dianeh@ism780c.UUCP (Diane Holt) Distribution: net Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Santa Monica, CA Lines: 97 Keywords: Enjoy yourself...enjoy yourself...enjoy yourself... Summary: ...just have yourself a grand old time... [Okay, NOW I get it...the Followup-To: was to NET.singles, not SOC.singles -- sorry if this isn't the appropriate way to handle this, but I'm re-posting the article here, since I don't really know how all this is working these days...anyway, if you've already read it in NET.singles, feel free to skip it here. P.S. How come an article in SOC.singles ended up with NET.singles as the Followup-To: line, anyway? Sheesh, I didn't even think to look at it.] In article <822@cuuxb.UUCP> frye@cuuxb.UUCP (frye) writes: >Keywords: Hey Diane, What are ya doin' tonight?(8-) Hey, gettin' my yah-yah's, of course, silly...what else? ;-) >[...] Sounds like you want to turn your whole body into a pleasure zone and >his too. All I gotta say is, GO FOR IT! Right...now you're getting the picture... >Actually though, there are times when I just feel like giving and would >consider a lady to be smart if she'd just lay there and enjoy... Well, whoever said I didn't like doing that?...that's exactly what I've been talking about -- *enjoying* yourself with what you're doing with your partner's body...I love it when my partner just lays back and enjoys himself while *I'm* enjoying myself doin' what I wanna do...watching the little ripples run along his skin when I touch it juuuust so...watching the dream smile on his face...the little sighs of pleasure -- egad! hang on a second... my keys just got all hot... -- okay, that's better ;-) >[...] and I like a turn at that once in a great while too. And I love it the other way around, too...just kicking back and enjoying him do whichever fancies of his get tickled -- and not just "once in a great while", either...;-) >And while I'm sure not gonna downplay Diane's thoughts, [...] That's okay if you want to, really... >[...] I just think there are times that I'd just like to give without >expecting anthing in return... But that *is* what I was saying -- hmmm, maybe I'd better try this one again: Everything I do is what I enjoy doing...I, personally, me, myself, derive *physical* pleasure from the things *I'm* doing -- *I* like the way he feels, smells, tastes, etc., and I'm "delighted" (okay, that's a euphemism -- *aroused* is really what we're talking about here, right?) to discover that he enjoys my enjoying him. I most certainly *don't* do things just to be "expecting anything in return" -- I'm *already getting it myself* (that was why I was *questioning* the "I'll do for you, then you can do for me" attitude in the first place -- it just didn't make any kind of *sense* to me)...and I like the same to be true for him -- I'm really not all that interested in having him do something just because he thinks it's what *I* want done, if he's really not enjoying it himself. Now, I have been talking this over with somebody, and their position is that they can, in fact, derive pleasure from doing something "for" their partner that's not necessarily intrinsically enjoyable for them (the do-er) from a physical point of view -- if they know that what they're doing is something their partner really enjoys having done, then that makes them enjoy it, too, but not from the *physical* experience, more from the, shall we say, "spiritual" sense...I suppose I can see that -- intellectually...but I couldn't really say I understood it emotionally, because I couldn't come up with anything that would fall into that category for me (hey, what can I say -- I just happen to *like* bodies, okay?) >Ummm, the only real problem is, I don't like to be bitten right there. >(Watch my hand here(8-). Right there...) And I always included the proviso that whatever it is you're enjoying doing has to *not* be "not enjoyable" for your partner...that would be rude, insensitive, and altogether not a good thing at all...do what you want to do, as long as it's not something you're partner doesn't enjoy having done. So, what I've been saying is: Do what you want to do because you enjoy doing it, not just because you think it's what you're *supposed* to be doing, and not just so you'll be getting "your turn" to have your partner do what they think *they're* supposed to be doing...be comfortable with your own body; be comfortable with your partner's body; love every bit of it -- from their silly little toes to their silly nose, and back again...have fun...enjoy... cherish...delight... Does that make it a little clearer? >Regards. >Tom (I like her because she thinks good, looks good, and tastes good.) Frye Gee, for a minute there I thought that might be me...but you've never even *seen* me, much less *tasted* me, now have you? So, who's the lucky lady? Diane Holt Interactive Systems Corp. Charter Member LTDOTN ("D" Division) {seismo,decvax,cbosgd}!hplabs!sdcrdcf!ism780c!dianeh "Hey -- a built-in towel rack...how convenient!"