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From: gsmith@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (Gene Ward Smith)
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Subject: Re: Evidence and Pornography Legislation
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   Mark -- I had stepped out of this discussion, partly because so many
people had stepped in it, and partly because Adam Reed seemed so well
qualified to continue it. But I have a few questions from this last:

In article <1562@mtx5a.UUCP> mat@mtx5a.UUCP (m.terribile) writes:

>In the years since the 1970 Commission, there has been a great increase in
>the range of sexually explicit material available.  Pedophilic materials
>were not considered by that Commission, since they were so exceedingly rare.
>Since that time, they have become far more widespread.

   Do you have a reference for this, or did the Commission say it? This
is the opposite of what I had thought to be the case: the laws have been
tightend since 1970; and I thought it was alleged that back then pedophile
material was easy to obtain. Presumably the harsher laws should have had
some effect?

>In addition, materials
>mixing pain, violence, and coercion with apparent sexual satisfaction of the
>``object'' individual have become more widespread, and such materials are most
>often the materials that law enforcement officials and self-identified victims
>have indicated are used by the offenders.

   Once again, is this hearsay, or have you evidence? Another point here
is the relation of cause to effect. It seems most reasonable to me to
assume that such materials exist because they satisfy a desire, not be-
cuse they have created a desire. Paraphilias exist with or without porn-
ography.

ucbvax!brahms!gsmith    Gene Ward Smith/UCB Math Dept/Berkeley CA 94720
        Fifty flippant frogs / Walked by on flippered feet
    And with their slime they made the time / Unnaturally fleet.