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From: nolan@lll-crg.ARpA (Matt Nolan)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Being an asshole
Message-ID: <6317@lll-crg.ARpA>
Date: Wed, 24-Sep-86 23:49:55 EDT
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Posted: Wed Sep 24 23:49:55 1986
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Reply-To: nolan@lll-crg.UUCP (Matt Nolan)
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Summary: Nolan chats with Oleg, a couple more questions.

>Then why are you advocating it?! The advice you are seeking is that it is OK
>to be an asshole to a woman and she will love you for it, right? 

	Advocate it?, yeah I suggested it Doug because it seems to be a
normal behavior.  Read Feymen's book, he's one of the modern idols of
physicist, the guy is a PhD.  He's the guy on the President's commission
to study what went wrong with the Space Shuttle and blatantly accused NASA
of ignoring the dangers of the shuttle and not taking the proper safety
precautions.  This should help you and anyone that hasn't gotten my definition
of abuse right.  By abuse, I mean not treating them nice as opposed to
treating them bad, being an asshole.  Again (sigh), my point was, I observe
behavior that people engage in to get sex, I don't like the behavior, I won't
behave that way to get sex, please advise me on alternative behaviors.

Doug, did you think I was saying it was ok to be an asshole?

>Even the sorority/frat types are not necessarily into power/submission trips!
	Seems to me the whole sorority/frat system is set up & joined by people
who want a steady supply of people who will want to have sex with them. I
suppose if that what they want thats fine.  My problem with it is it makes 
people just pieces of meat to screw, it doesn't seem very human.  Being human
am I not supposed to feel there is something special about the mating process?
Or is it just another chemical fix I feel the need to fulfill, like eating
and sleeping?

	What I meant by get laid => chock up all the random sexual encouters 
possible and if they don't realize all you want from them is sex use'm up till
you get bored with'em or something more exciting comes along.  I don't believe 
you interpret get laid as such Oleg but thats what I meant.

 since you brought it up
> EVERYONE wants to get laid { etc }
	What are some examples of sexual experiences a normal person would
want to have?  Under what circumstances can I desire to have sex with someone,
random encouter, trying to develop SOship or otherwise without feeling I am 
being degrading to some female because I am attracted to her sexually?

>I would not want to be involved with women who take such shit.

 	Obviously then you have experiences where you have been nice to
women and they didn't treat you like shit.  Good, that gives me hope.

>"BITCH"? You expect Carol to respect you after that? 
	Of course not, she didn't respect my views in the first place. 

>>	Nothing personal carol, but I don't know or care who you are. (again)
>If you treat everyone like that, no wonder you are having problems!

Everyone?  I get along just fine with lots of people as long as it doesn't 
involve dating.  My problem exists with dating alone.

	Nolan, Matt

{"He was mongoloid & he had a job & he wore a hat & he brought home the bacon
  He was mongoloid & he was happier than you & me" --- Devo }