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Subject: Re: Feminists
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Date: Wed, 1-Oct-86 13:51:18 EDT
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In article <1116@batcomputer.TN.CORNELL.EDU> cheryl@batcomputer.UUCP (cheryl) writes:
>In article <153@endot.UUCP> tookman@endot.UUCP (kathy) writes:
>>I hope people these days realize that it's entirely possible to 
>>be a feminist without protesting everything.  
>
>And what is it that you intend to accept rather than protest?
>Do you propose to accept everything, rather than be accused
>of protesting everything?  
>
Hear,hear, Cheryl. That is the dangerous trend that is threatening
the FEW concessions we did make. I agree with you ,Cheryl, that
we can't fall into the old complaicantcy of "Oh,we won here and there
and we mustn't rock the boat" mode. But there are a few areas that
feminist should be praising more  --  for instance women who choose
to be just mothers. Non-working mothers shouldn't be looked down on
like some do. They are not traitors, they are exercising their rights
to work at what they feel they must -- BUT only when they have chosen
freely. The inalienable right to choose to work and have or not have
children is our right also. Which is why we must be ever vigilant
about feminist issues. We've only won a few battles, Kathy, and
the protest and changes must continue. Quiet complaicency won't
cut it.

>>I mean in the 70's everyone was more radical and it gave 
>>non-feminists a bad taste in their mouths (so to speak).  
>
>AWWWW, I feel SO sorry for them. We put a bad taste in their mouths,
>when what they deserved was to be run out of town, sued to the
>gills, thrown in jail, had their self-serving laws declared 
>unconstitutional, changed their laws behind their backs... and 
>(to make things even) ... had childeren of their sex killed at
>birth, had all their property rights removed, denied them access
>to an education, humiliated them regularly and pubically, had 
>degrading pornographic films taken of them and used against them
>socially, professionally and psychologically, and used them as
>domestic slaves for four thousand years.  
>
>I'm SO afraid of putting a bad taste in their mouths, oh, yes.
>
You tell 'em, Cheryl! 
>
>

>>Some feminists just haven't learned that screaming your views at
>>some people don't make them listen--if anything they block their 
>>ears completely.
>
>And you think that whispering your views will make them listen?
>I've got news for you.  If you whisper, your voice will be ignored,
>just like I almost ignored your timid little mealy-mouthed posting.
>
>>kathy
In these days of rampant conservity, screaming may not be most
effective but neither will wispering. But a loud,consistent,
ever vigilant, intelligent protest MUST be continued. Otherwise,
all the loses of power and the reversal of concession hard one
will be reversed before anyone knows there's a fight, Kathy.
Sometimes, screaming is the only way to first get the attention
that something is wrong. The issue then becomes,when do you
scream.

P.M.Pincha-Wagener