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From: mcvoy@rsch.WISC.EDU (Lawrence W. McVoy)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women
Subject: Re: Feminists
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Date: Mon, 13-Oct-86 20:04:49 EDT
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Posted: Mon Oct 13 20:04:49 1986
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Reply-To: mcvoy@rsch.WISC.EDU (Lawrence W. McVoy)
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Ah, shucks, here I've been reading this group for months, hoping to never 
have to post, and you, cheryl, had to open your big mouth and jab a
guy where it hurts.  Jeezzz...  Well, here goes. Oops, before I forget
and if you haven't figured it out yet, this is what some would call a

		F L A M E

In article <1116@batcomputer.TN.CORNELL.EDU> cheryl@batcomputer.UUCP (cheryl) writes:
>In article <153@endot.UUCP> tookman@endot.UUCP (kathy) writes:
>>I hope people these days realize that it's entirely possible to 
>>be a feminist without protesting everything.  
>
>And what is it that you intend to accept rather than protest?
>Do you propose to accept everything, rather than be accused
>of protesting everything?  

So, cheryl, let me ask you: would you have every woman protest
absolutely everything?  And, I think you missed the point here.  If I
may be so bold as to put words in kathy's mouth, I think what she is
saying here is "you don't have to shriek your views to the world in
order for them to be considered valid".

Now, a moment of reflection, please.  Why do you think she (a
w*o*m*a*n) is saying this?  Hmm?  Well, it *could* be that she's
whipped.  She's found the man of her dreams and decided that men are
really keeno.  It *could* be that she's given up.  Too much work, ya
know.  Or, perhaps, she's found that men (key point here, cheryl, are
you listening?) are sick and f*cking tired of paying for the sins of
those that went before them.  I know I am.  I know a lot of my male
friends are.  "Ah ha!", you say, "well, you must all be assholes
then."  Not, so, cheryl, not at all.  In fact, I'm really a nice guy;
I'm supportive of my female friends, I am sensitive to those little
things that bother women so much (Hey, I pee siting down -- it's the
only way I can remember to keep the goddamn seat down) and I act
accordingly, etc.  All, in all, a real product of the 70's feminist
movement.  Not a wimp, mind you, just aware of the female as well as
the male side of an issue.

So, you ask, what is the point?  The point, cheryl, is that I am sick
of you, your feminist friends, and everyone that acts like you.  You
would make me responsible for everything that has happened to you that
you thought was a male chauvinist act.  Well, hey, cheryl!  F*ck you
too.  *I* didn't do it, I don't propogate those ideas, why should I
have to deal with your abuse?  As time goes on, more and more women are
realizing that they can't bad mouth their male friends and lovers and
have them put up with it forever.  Nobody likes being an asshole by
virtue of their sex alone.  So shape up!


>when what they deserved was to be run out of town, sued to the
>gills, thrown in jail, had their self-serving laws declared 
>unconstitutional, changed their laws behind their backs... and 
>(to make things even) ... had childeren of their sex killed at
>birth, had all their property rights removed, denied them access
>to an education, humiliated them regularly and pubically, had 
>degrading pornographic films taken of them and used against them
>socially, professionally and psychologically, and used them as
>domestic slaves for four thousand years.  

Nice, cheryl, really subtle.

>just like I almost ignored your timid little mealy-mouthed posting.

Hey, I wasn't to timid for you, was I?