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From: rb@cci632.UUCP (Rex Ballard)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women
Subject: Entrapment (Re: Re: Boys vs. Girls
Message-ID: <406@cci632.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 24-Sep-86 14:09:34 EDT
Article-I.D.: cci632.406
Posted: Wed Sep 24 14:09:34 1986
Date-Received: Tue, 30-Sep-86 00:42:03 EDT
References: <598@rosevax.UUCP> <969@tekigm2.UUCP> <1037@dadla.UUCP>
Reply-To: rb@ccird1.UUCP (Rex Ballard)
Organization: CCI, Rochester Development, Rochester, NY
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Keywords: teenage pregnancy
Xref: linus soc.singles:269 soc.women:129
Summary: Deception.

In article <1037@dadla.UUCP> rob@dadla.UUCP (Rob Vetter) writes:
>In article <969@tekigm2.UUCP> jimb@tekigm2.UUCP (Jim Boland) writes:
>>In article <598@rosevax.UUCP> vickyb@rosevax.UUCP (Vicky) writes:
>>>
>>>	                                                This seems highly
>>>	unfair to me.  That she has the *choice* to control her own 
>>>	destiny by either keeping the child or not, but he has *NO* choice
>>>	what-so-ever.  
>
>>I am a male and I disagree with you.  It does not matter if the girl got
>>pregnant by an accident or on purpose.  The point is it takes two to tango
>>and both are responsible if she gets pregnant.  Even if she promised she
>>were safe and fooled him.  The point is that she is the mother and he is
>>the father.  Both are responsible for that child, wanted or not.
>
>	I have to agree, with Jim.  Actually, "he" does have a couple
>	of choices.
>	He can choose a she that will listen to his wishes before making
>	a decision, and he can choose not to sleep with that person.
>Rob Vetter

True situation:
Man, during intitial sexual encounters uses protection but is told by
woman that she is on the pill.  Relationship continues, with the man
taking precautions during the "placebo days" but the woman taking the
pill on a regular basis.  Man even checks the "dispenser" to make sure
she hasn't forgotton, or simply stopped.  Woman starts flushing pills
down the toilet to appear protected, but is in fact not protected.

Woman gets pregnant, doesn't tell boyfriend for several weeks,
and breaks off relationship.  Then she tells him she's pregnant and
that he will have to pay child support.  Ex-boyfriend is in college,
one year from graduation.  Does he have a choice?  Should he have a choice?

Fortunately, this story had a happy ending.  A man who really wanted
to be a father was convinced that the child was his (even though
his relationship with her started six weeks too late), married the girl,
and father, mother, and child are all doing fine.

It is said that truth is stranger than fiction.  This is certainly the
case here.  Why did she want to get pregnant? I don't know.  Why did
she break off the relationship before telling him?  I don't know.  Why
did the "father" go along?  I don't know.

There are other, equally strange "true stories" that are equally
confusing.  Remember them before making a "pat statement" that
"all men have a choice".

I would agree that under "normal" circumstances, a man does have a choice.
Under "normal circumstances" there are no hidden agenda, no deceptions,
and no selfish motives.  The problem comes when a man is ignorant,
a woman thinks "child support" will give her freedom from an unpleasant
situation (parents, poverty, loneliness).  When this happens, there are
no absolutes.