Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!columbia!rutgers!caip!clyde!cbatt!ihnp4!ihlpf!zonker From: zonker@ihlpf.UUCP (Tom Harris) Newsgroups: soc.women Subject: Re: Feminism and Abortion Message-ID: <762@ihlpf.UUCP> Date: Mon, 6-Oct-86 15:50:23 EDT Article-I.D.: ihlpf.762 Posted: Mon Oct 6 15:50:23 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 11-Oct-86 10:38:05 EDT References: <2710@burdvax.UUCP> <5833@ut-sally.UUCP> <311@isieng.UUCP> <50@oliveb.UUCP> <313@isieng.UUCP> Distribution: world Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 56 > Take the extreme example of Hitler who slaughtered the Jews > because he thought he was doing the right thing. Everybody else thought > he was doing the wrong thing! ^^^^Not true, don't believe everything you read in a history book. > People make decisions based on many different > factors. But they are not always the right decisions. One person's decision > on what is right may be completely different to what is really right. What is really right? Jesus, if so then how come so many people enjoy killing in his name? > Jesus > said that He is the Truth. If Jesus is God (like he said) than He knows > what is right. That's not necessarily true. He may defines what is right, but Joe God down the street may have a different and more relavant definition. > If we base our decisions on His Truth, then the will not > fluctute with the whims of man. So Hitler was right in thowing people into ovens? (Assuming he base his descision on His Truth, which I'm sure he thought he had). >This does not mean that we become a monotaneous > unthinking society, but that we put the Love of God as our primary goal and > react to people with that Love. > Kiki, The real problem with what you said is that Hitler felt he was basing his decisions on Jesus' truth (he was after all taking revenge on the people who murdered Jesus, wasn't he? <>). The problem is that Jesus' truth is by no means clear, concise or relavant to a given situation. Hitler did not make his decsions in a vacum, he had a country to help him and support him (a Xtian country no less). It was Christains like yourself that fed people into the fires in the Third Reich'ns concentration camps. Until the start of WW II very few people thought that what Hitler was doing was wrong. (Note: that the concept of the camps as a center for genocide didn't really begin in ernest until late 1942 when the Nazi's were losing the war and cost of supporting the camps was becoming a burden to the war effort. The original idea was to ship the inmates out of Germany into some conquered area as a slave race.) My real question to you is who in a secular sense makes the bottom line decision as to what Jesus intends? If it is the individual then you have placed yourself in a position where you could have to support what Hitler did to the Jews as Jesus' truth (Ditto for any other loony who does things in the name of your God). If it is a government then you could still end up supporting (like the citizen of Nazi Germany) some horrible abomination as Jesus' truth. Besides goverments soon learn that God is an unnecessary concept. If it is Jesus then where the hell was he in 1942-5? (What was so important he let 30 million people die? BTW 30,000,000 is a rough estimate of the number of people killed by Nazi Germany maybe 10,000,000 of that weren't Xtians.) Non Cuniculus Est, Tom H. HASA or HABSA or ASAP or whatever it is this week. H division.