Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!caip!sri-spam!nike!ucbcad!ucbvax!hplabs!tektronix!teklds!midas!jeffw From: jeffw@midas.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women Subject: Re: internal conflicts wrt sexual stimuli and so on Message-ID: <697@midas.UUCP> Date: Mon, 22-Sep-86 13:25:31 EDT Article-I.D.: midas.697 Posted: Mon Sep 22 13:25:31 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 25-Sep-86 05:26:32 EDT References: <911@gilbbs.UUCP> <1143@oliveb.UUCP> <529@randvax.UUCP> Reply-To: jeffw@midas.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 21 Xref: linus soc.singles:112 soc.women:44 At the end of an otherwise excellent article (I agreed with it :-)) Ed Hall gets in this dig: > Some traditional women >might accept men treating them as a sex object as ``the way men are'' >[are you listening, Jeff W?], I'm listening, and I can't figure out what it has to do with me. My defense was of men fantasizing, not treating women as sex objects. Something that I doubt even "traditional" women would enjoy, though I suppose they might accept it. Wrt to Tom K.'s questions, I'd suggest that Ed's article be required reading, even if it's no immediate help. For what it's worth, I met the woman who is now my wife several months after I had decided I could live alone for the rest of my life and enjoy it. Unfortunately that's probably not much help either. Except that you need things you enjoy doing that take a lot of effort and time to make that kind of decision, and I don't imagine women get very excited by men who are only interested in women. Jeff Winslow