Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!rutgers!caip!clyde!cbatt!ihnp4!houxm!houem!marty1 From: marty1@houem.UUCP (M.BRILLIANT) Newsgroups: talk.abortion Subject: Re: Best for Others? Message-ID: <669@houem.UUCP> Date: Tue, 14-Oct-86 15:40:05 EDT Article-I.D.: houem.669 Posted: Tue Oct 14 15:40:05 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 16-Oct-86 19:57:40 EDT References: ... <686@cal-asd.fluke.UUCP> <2061@curly.ucla-cs.ARPA> <2630@watdcsu.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 35 In article <2630@watdcsu.UUCP> mberkley@watdcsu.UUCP (J.M.Berkley - Computing Services) wrote: >In article <2061@curly.ucla-cs.ARPA> oleg@OACVAX.BITNET (Oleg Kiselev) writes: >>In article <686@cal-asd.fluke.UUCP> ptl@cal-asd.UUCP (Mike Andrews) writes: >>>Then go another step and put in the >>>words long term sickness, quadraplegic, ... - another possible direction >>>things can go. >> >>Do not attempt to cloud the issue! ... local court case ... >> ... is still too fresh in my memory. >---------------------------------------------------------------- >I think that Mike was referring to the logical extension of all >arguments about the usefulness of someone to society: forced >euthanasia.... > >The conclusion, it is not right to force euthanasia on the unborn >baby. A person's usefulness to society is not ended by chronic illness or physical disability. A person continues to be useful by being known, loved, hated, respected, despised, pitied, etc., by other people. I have suggested that judgments of whether people should live or die are made, and should be made, on the basis of that person's usefulness to society. But usefulness should not be judged simplistically. In fact, usefulness may exist even if can not be proved. Don't condemn unless you can prove uselessness "beyond the shadow of a doubt." There are many differences between unborn children and the chronically or terminally ill, and "logical extensions" are not to be made lightly. I can easily oppose forced euthanasia without opposing abortion. M. B. Brilliant Marty AT&T-BL HO 3D-520 (201)-949-1858 Holmdel, NJ 07733 ihnp4!houem!marty1