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From: cc@locus.ucla.edu (Oleg "Kill the bastards" Kiselev)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Reply to Marty
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Date: Wed, 24-Sep-86 19:51:19 EDT
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In article <5488@decwrl.DEC.COM> ferrin@tonto.dec.com (Doug Ferrin) writes:
>	The phrase "social necessity" seems also to be misleading. I
>	would not say that 99% of the abortions performed today are
>	because of social necessity but rather social permissiveness.

You are wrong. "Permissiveness" is not a cause of 20% of abortions, 
administered  to married women. And it does not at all explain abortions
administered to teenage victims of rape, incest and sexual abuse. 

>	Again, I don't think that abortion should be there for the
>	conveniance of untangling the mess that one is in. I would also
>	add that the male partner in this is also equally accountable
>	and should not be let off the hook. 

It costs over $1000.00/month (1985 dollars and prices) to properly care
for a pregnant woman in the last trimester. Hospital costs for a perfect
child-birth (no complications, mother and child in excellent condition)
are between $400 and $700 (old data -- now probably a lot more). Cost of
"maternity" wardrobe not included. Post-natal care costs money too: furniture
for the child, wardrobe for the mother and the child, mother's temporary
unemployment.... Later, large financial obligations are ususally associated
with adequate care and raising of the child.... And that's an 18-19 year
long financial obligation.

.... Abortions cost on the average $200 in 1985. Even the extra tax deduction
hardly compensates for the difference.  "Social necessity" migth be a cause
in some cases, but "FINANCIAL necessity" is a sure leading cause.

>	I also don't think that abortion was "invented" as you state
>	(maybe discovered). Columbus didn't "invent" America :-)

Just a side fact -- most cultures have folk herbal medicins that cause 
an abortion (usually by inducing a period within days). These natural
methods are safe and cause no more problems than any early "natural"
miscarriage. Such folk "cures" have been frowned upon by the major
monotheistic religions and have been made illegal in most Western countries
by religious and secular laws.


				Oleg Kiselev, HASA