Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!rutgers!caip!clyde!cbatt!cbdkc1!pmd From: pmd@cbdkc1.UUCP (Paul M. Dubuc) Newsgroups: talk.abortion Subject: Re: It's still mine Message-ID: <1606@cbdkc1.UUCP> Date: Tue, 30-Sep-86 08:52:53 EDT Article-I.D.: cbdkc1.1606 Posted: Tue Sep 30 08:52:53 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 2-Oct-86 20:33:03 EDT References: <5152@decwrl.DEC.COM> <1091@ogcvax.UUCP> <631@houem.UUCP> <1588@cbdkc1.UUCP> <1758@curly.ucla-cs.ARPA> Reply-To: pmd@dkc1.UUCP (Paul M. Dubuc) Distribution: world Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus Lines: 62 In article <1758@curly.ucla-cs.ARPA> oac6.oleg@LOCUS.UCLA.EDU (Oleg "Kill the bastards" Kiselev) writes: >In article <1588@cbdkc1.UUCP> pmd@dkc1.UUCP (Paul M. Dubuc) writes: >>The state can and has protected the fetus, with laws restricting >>abortion. Why do you assume that protective measures are only possible >>if a person is portable? You also seem to imply that portability makes >>one a person because the state *may* protect one in that case. > >You are missing the point, Paul. No, I don't think I was missing Marty Brilliant's point. That goes with the context of the original article. >A 2-year old can be cared for by many >different agencies, biological parents (mother, in particular) are not >essential to the survival of the 2-year old. A 2-year old is a biologically >independent entity. A fetus is also a biologically independent entity. The only *biological* relationship the fetus has to the mother (or father) is that of being her offspring. This is the same relationship that the 2-year-old has. A 2-year-old is still completely dependent on some adult for all the necessities of life; only the means of providing them changes with the environment that the child lives in. >None of the above is true about a fetus. Therefore, the State CAN and SHOULD >protect a 2-year old, because the child's survival does not need to depend >on one, uniques person. A fetus depends on the host (mother) only and in >protecting the fetus' right to life against the host's wishes the host's >(mother's) rights are bound to be violated. The state