Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site bunker.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!ittatc!bunker!rha From: rha@bunker.UUCP (Robert H. Averack) Newsgroups: talk.abortion Subject: Re: I wonder why?? Message-ID: <1218@bunker.UUCP> Date: Wed, 1-Oct-86 16:17:57 EDT Article-I.D.: bunker.1218 Posted: Wed Oct 1 16:17:57 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 3-Oct-86 06:46:33 EDT References: <888@ssc-vax.UUCP> <1212@bunker.UUCP> <1214@bunker.UUCP> Reply-To: rha@bunker.UUCP (Robert H. Averack) Distribution: na Organization: Bunker Ramo, Trumbull Ct Lines: 106 Summary: At the beginning of this follow-up, I would like to point out that Gary and I work for the same organization. Therefore, I will be the first to suggest that we try and debate this offline and not tie up the net. Now, I'll begin. In article <1214@bunker.UUCP> garys@bunker.UUCP (Gary M. Samuelson) writes: >In article <1212@bunker.UUCP> rha@bunker.UUCP (Robert H. Averack) writes: > >>BRAVO, GREG, BRAVO! I left your entire posting to make sure that it is read >>at least one more time. > >That doesn't work; and it just costs more money. Do you really think that >people are going to read something twice, just because it is posted twice? > Yes, Gary, I think they will. >>I made a similar posting about two weeks ago, and I >>applaud your offering. Maybe if more men start to think like us, newsgroups >>like this will no longer be needed and both men and women can enjoy a new age >>of sexual responsibility, mutual trust and strong families. > >How does abortion on demand promote responsibility, mutual trust, and >strong families? > Abortion provides a means of avoiding an unwanted pregnancy, hence, unwanted child, hence, strong family, composed of the parent(s) and those children who are truly wanted and loved. In addition, men, irrespective of their feelings about abortion, must face their culpability head-on and respect the rights of their partners. Abortion, by itself isn't enough. But abortion is required, along with proper precaution and respect for the sovereign right of every woman to choose what occurs within her own body. >>Come on, you guys. I know there are more of you out there who feel as Greg >>and I do. > >So much for the observation that men are pro-life and women are pro-choice. > I think we need to discuss (offline) what you interpret Greg's and my remarks to mean. Your comments indicate to me that you do not understand. Greg noted an abundance of male, anti-choice postings on the net, along with an equal abundance of female, pro-choice postings. That's all he said. What Greg and I have also said is that no man can ever have the empathy with a woman in sexual/procreative matters. Quite simply, men are not women. Therefore, each man (myself included) is impertinent when he offers opinions on such intimate subjects. What transcends all of this, though, is the need for men to finally give women the respect that they are inalienably entitled to. >>Speak up, and let's squelch the insensitive voices of those who, >>as Greg has said, will never truly know the experience. > >An explicit appeal to have your views prevail by overwhelming the >opposition by sheer volume. > Gee whiz, Gary, I suppose you could call us a "moral majority". >>To you women, keep the faith. Together, we'll withstand the clinic bombings, > >Two gross overgeneralizations. Not all women are pro-choice, and not all >pro-lifers bomb clinics, or approve of those who do. > Your absolutely right, Gary, not all x are y. Now, am I correct in assuming that you do not approve of the clinic bombings? >>political subterfuging and emotional duress imposed by so-called "right-to- >>lifers" (whose life?), both male and female. > >"So-called?" I have no problem referring to your position as pro-choice; >why do you insinuate that all who are pro-life are insincere? No doubt >some are; no doubt some pro-choicers are insincere. No doubt none of us >are 100% consistent 100% of the time. In what way do you think I am >insincere in my position? > >Gary Samuelson Well, Gary me boy, I think you are insincere by assigning "life" to the fetus and then placing that "life" above the life of the mother. By the way, do you remember who it was who coined the quote "if men could become pregnant, then abortion would be a sacrement"? Now, you made your point and I made my counter-point. Let's spare the net a long-winded dialog and take it offline, okay? Thanks, Bob Averack. -- ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! (Bob Averack @ Bunker Ramo/Olivetti) {decvax!, ittatc!, philabs!} ! ! ! ! ## "Okay, you workstations, start USENET: bunker!rha ! ! #oo# singing....." UUCP: bunker!/usr/spool ! ! ###### /uucppublic/rha ! ! ##\/## "This LAN is your LAN, OFFLINE: 35 Nutmeg Dr. ! ! ###### this LAN is my LAN..." Trumbull, CT 06611 ! ! L L ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !