Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!lll-crg!lll-lcc!qantel!ihnp4!houxm!houem!marty1 From: marty1@houem.UUCP (M.BRILLIANT) Newsgroups: talk.abortion Subject: Re: It's still mine Message-ID: <648@houem.UUCP> Date: Fri, 3-Oct-86 17:15:27 EDT Article-I.D.: houem.648 Posted: Fri Oct 3 17:15:27 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 11-Oct-86 10:00:09 EDT References: <5152@decwrl.DEC.COM> <1091@ogcvax.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 47 In <1606@cbdkc1.UUCP>, pmd@cbdkc1.UUCP (Paul M. Dubuc) wrote: >In article <1758@curly.ucla-cs.ARPA> oac6.oleg@LOCUS.UCLA.EDU (Oleg "Kill the bastards" Kiselev) writes: > ... >>None of the above is true about a fetus. Therefore, the State CAN and SHOULD >>protect a 2-year old, because the child's survival does not need to depend >>on one, uniques person. A fetus depends on the host (mother) only and in >>protecting the fetus' right to life against the host's wishes the host's >>(mother's) rights are bound to be violated. and pmd@cbdkc1.UUCP (Paul M. Dubuc) answered: >The state CAN protect the fetus too, as I stated in the first paragraph. >I don't see why the fact that fetal humans need their biological mother's >care for 9 months means that the state can't take protective measures and >say no one should kill the child. I also do not see how the fact that >more than one person may care for a born child means that the state SHOULD >protect that child. OK, Paul, if the same protection the state gives 2-year olds will satisfy you as protection of the fetus, I'm satisfied too. If the mother of a 2-year old absolutely refuses to care for a 2-year old, and wants to give the child away, the child is taken away from her. Don't impose on the mother's freedom. Just take the fetus away. We all know that if you do that the fetus will die, unless it's advanced enough to be a premature infant. You conclude that since the fetus will die, we have to impose on the mother's freedom. I say that we shouldn't impose on the mother's freedom, and it's no great loss if a fetus dies. You (or other anti-abortionists) then say they can't tell the difference between a fetus and a child, and if you kill a fetus you'll be killing a child next. I reply that you can tell a fetus from a child if you take it away from its mother, give it to someone who will love it and wants to care for it, and see whether it lives or dies. And round and round we go. M. B. Brilliant Marty AT&T-BL HO 3D-520 (201)-949-1858 Holmdel, NJ 07733 ihnp4!houem!marty1