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From: trash@oliveb.UUCP (Tom Repa)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Re: Best for Others?
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Date: Mon, 6-Oct-86 14:53:09 EDT
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> Xref: hplabs talk.religion.misc:374 talk.abortion:62
>>n.b. > = Kiki Herbst
>>     >>= Tom Repa

>>Does "wanting the best for others" mean forcing  your opinions of what 
>>is best  for them on them?  If it does how do you know if what you're  
>>forcing on them is really the best? 
> 
>                                            ....  The thing about having
> God decide is that God is Truth.  That's what he said through his son
> Jesus.  (You can accept or reject that, that's your business.)  I believe
> he is truth, so basing decisions on him won't cause the decision to vary
> depending on the people involved, depending on the circumstatnce, depending
> on interpretations and everything else you said.  God doesn't change.
	You say I can accept or reject the above statements. But the
whole point of talk.abotion is that some people are basing their world
view on the bible, and expecting other people to accept it. By Law. 
I realize sometimes people try saying "it's killing a baby" and divorce
their arguments from religion, but the fact remains that some people do 
not agree with that world view and, to use the wharf rats UNIX notation,
but it's a !baby. [n.b. I realize other people disagree with abortion
on other grounds, but this is a reply to Kiki. Hell, I don't LIKE the
thought of an abortion, or its use. But I think that if it is used to 
allow people to move to a point in their life when they _want_ a child
and can afford to raise the child(ren) in a loving and caring environment,
then it is for the greater good of all involved.]
[[ Oh Boy! Now we can get into a Spockian discussion of the need of the
many vs. the need of the one. What Fun!]]

> Just information :-).  I would be the last person to legislate because I
> hate being legislated to!  I agree with what you said.  Let me ask you,
> how do you determine "what is best for ourselves", how do you determine
> truth or what is right?
	At least we agree on something! 
But does the above hold true with regard to abortion?
If not, why not?

>>	Your idea of heaven sounds to me a lot like the one
>>Robert Heinlein wrote of in "JOB: A comedy of Justice". 
>>If you haven't read it, try it.  
> 
> What do you think my concept of heaven is?  I know what the Bible says about
> heaven and it sounds like a great place to me!
> 
Whoops! Sorry, you're right. I don't _know_ what your idea of heaven is,
although I think I have a good guess because of your frequent references
to the bible. My interpatation of what the bible says makes it sound, to me,
like an extremely boring place. So I guess I would rather go somewhere else.
Valhalla, perhaps. Or maybe Nirvana. Or maybe just get reincarnated as a 
goat. :-) 

					Tom Repa (trash@oliven)







>>			Tom Repa (trash@oliven)
>>	
> 
> Kiki
-- 
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