Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!codas!peora!pesnta!valid!pete From: pete@valid.UUCP (Pete Zakel) Newsgroups: net.jokes.d,talk.bizarre Subject: Re: newspeak, (...etc...) Message-ID: <703@valid.UUCP> Date: Thu, 9-Oct-86 18:43:54 EDT Article-I.D.: valid.703 Posted: Thu Oct 9 18:43:54 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 12-Oct-86 01:03:59 EDT References: <425@vaxb.calgary.UUCP> <222@csustan.UUCP> <573@vaxwaller.UUCP> <774@bnrmtv.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Valid Logic, San Jose, CA Lines: 25 Xref: watmath net.jokes.d:1886 talk.bizarre:441 > and other sexual affairs. The word comes from File Under Carnal > Knowledge. Who knows the right answer, but I like this one best. All the supposed acronyms stated are simply folk tales handed down from people who simply don't know. Since the OED (the reference I trust the most) does not seem to have an entry for "fuck", I looked it up in my trusty _Webster's_ _Ninth_New_Collegiate_Dictionary_ (a fine reference) and it says: "of Gmc origin, prob. fr. or akin to D 'fokken' to breed (cattle), fr. MD, push, thrust, copulate; akin to Sw dial. 'fock' penis" which translates to: The word 'fuck' is of Germanic origin, probably from or related to the Dutch word 'fokken', which means "to breed (cattle)", which comes from the Middle Dutch definition "to push, to thrust, to copulate" and is related to the Swedish dialectical word 'fock', which means "penis". Since there are many close variants of the word in other Germanic languages (note that English is a Germanic language), such as the German "fick" and "ficken", I tend to believe that this is the true etymology of the word. -- -Pete Zakel (..!{hplabs,?}!ridge!valid!pete) (member of HASA)