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From: vizard@dartvax.UUCP (Todd Krein)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,talk.origins,net.jokes
Subject: Re: Rowing through the fog
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Date: Mon, 22-Sep-86 13:18:03 EDT
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> In article <1795@ihlpa.UUCP> nikbek@ihlpa.UUCP (Moseley) writes:
> >> >>What's the big deal about "dying" to prove your love when you know you can
> >> >>come back from the grave at will?
> >> > Getting nailed to a large block of wood is FUN?  (I'd be curious
> >> > how you spend your weekends ...)
> >> 
> >> "Yeah, that's it.  An' you get... uh..."
> >>         "Some six-penny nails?"
> >> "Yeah!  An' you drive the nails right through your palms...
> >
> >I recall some studies which indicate that nails through the palms of
> >a person's hands will not support the person's weight. The nails
> >were actually driven through the wrists, which will  support a person's
> >weight. I also believe that posts were actually used. I'm not sure where
> >the idea of a cross came from.
> >					R. C. Moseley

	In the original language (greek?) the word use to describe the
area where the nails were drivin in constitues the middle fore-arm to the palm.
It was mistranslated somewhere...

> This is an interesting discussion about the pain of crucifiction.  The people
> who feel that there are other people who have suffered about as much physical
> pain as hanging on a cross are probably right.  The main suffering and taking
> on the sins of the world was done in the Garden of Gethsemane.  There Jesus
> bled from every pore because of the pain (and his sweat was as it were great
> drops of blood falling down on the ground - Luke 22:44).  No other human or
> animal has been able to survive the pain that causes blood to come from every
> pore. 

	Not true... It's an uncommon but not necessarily dangerous thing..
(As I recall, it's blood passing into the sweat glads through the capillary
walls..)


> He did.  I am sure the crucifiction was not easy, and it was an important
> part of the overall plan, but it was probably not the most painful.

	Somehow, the idea of asphyxiating for 10-12 hours, slowly, sounds
REALLY painfull, esp. given that his only respite was to put all his weight
on the nail in his foot to releave tension on his diaphram.


		Todd Krein
		vizard@dartvax