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From: cher@ihlpf.UUCP (Mike Cherepov)
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Subject: Re: poetry and philosophy, beauty a
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Date: Mon, 6-Oct-86 10:33:17 EDT
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> NO. Common usage recognizes intrinsic beauty as well  as  beauty-
> to-somebody.   Consider  the statement: "I have never noticed be-
> fore how beautiful this is." Does it  jar  your  ear?  The  usage
> seems  quite common to me. This proves the beauty is *not* in the
> eye of the beholder. Otherwise, it would not have been *there* to
> notice until it *was* noticed.

Actually, I considered that statement when composing my previous
article. It is about the potential of an object or an idea to 
exite and please *human* senses or mind. Sounds like it has
everything to do with mind and senses and nothing to do with anything
'intrinsic' in the object. Humans can be fascinated with anything
from roses to incest.

> "Antipodes, if they existed, would have to walk  upside  down"  -
> true  or  false? Depends on what up and down mean to you. Yet the
> meaning changes with knowledge; there was a time when that state-
> ment was enough to disprove the existence of antipodes.

Well, as long as the meanings of the words are explained the people
can communicate ideas, and figure out the root of the disagreement...
'Truth' to me means reality or actuality. Here we may get stuck
with different metaphysical presuppositions, though. I explained
my further objctions to "truth=beauty" in e-mail.

> Beauty is no more subjective than truth. 

I guess I have no idea what you mean by 'truth'.
So we have "beauty=truth". Why not "truth=reason" and 
"beauty=truth=reason"? In my view all of these formulas do little
but sterilize the language.
	
What did the whole thing start with, eh? Poetry and what? Oh, well,
as long as it's fun...
		Mike Cherepov