Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!lll-crg!lll-lcc!unisoft!dual!ptsfa!qantel!ihnp4!gargoyle!carnes From: carnes@gargoyle.UUCP (Richard Carnes) Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal Message-ID: <565@gargoyle.UUCP> Date: Tue, 23-Sep-86 20:52:53 EDT Article-I.D.: gargoyle.565 Posted: Tue Sep 23 20:52:53 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 28-Sep-86 23:51:35 EDT Reply-To: carnes@gargoyle.UUCP (Richard Carnes) Organization: U. of Chicago, Computer Science Dept. Lines: 26 [janw] >An elementary principle like "coercion is bad" is not the end of >wisdom - but a beginning of it. *If* it is true - then refusing to >accept it (and I have never seen you accept it) undermines the >sophisticated superstructures you build. I don't perceive an obligation to affirm, in my postings, what is noncontroversial on the net. I assume that everyone, or virtually everyone, reading this believes that noncoercion is desirable, a value; ceteris paribus, we prefer to minimize coercion. But there are other commonly held values as well, and it is when values conflict that the interesting and fruitful questions arise. Dogmatists, with their canned answers to all questions, need not trouble themselves with these issues. They can simply state, for example, that everyone possesses an absolute and inviolable right to dispose of his or her own body, without investigating what the implications and potential consequences of this principle would be in the real world, and whether there might be potential conflicts with other important values/principles. Philosophy is easy when you know the answers a priori. And from this great height, dogmatists can look down on those depraved enough to disagree with them and impute to them bad faith, bad character, base motives, or moral insensitivity -- much easier than coming to grips with moral and political questions that thoughtful persons regard as very tough. Richard Carnes