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From: showard@udenva.UUCP (Steve "Blore" Howard)
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Subject: Re: Re: Commission on Pornography -- reply to GWSmith
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Date: Sun, 21-Sep-86 18:23:55 EDT
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In article <1560@mtx5a.UUCP> mat@mtx5a.UUCP (m.terribile) writes:
>
>This seems like a good place to point out that, although there is a sorry
>lack of reliable social science evidence, and (according to Adam R.) reliable
>studies asking simplistic questions of this complex phenomenon (yes, Adam, I'm
>adding a little to what you said ...) would not indicate direct links for
>most of the population, clearly there *is* a subpopulation for whom sexual
>pleasure is enhanced by violence or by degrading others.  And materials of
>the sort which (as you say) do not interest you *do* affect them when sex and
>violence are juxtaposed (in slasher flicks) or combined (in certain types of
>pornography).
>
>Because the interaction of the two affects people (victims) of these
>individuals, and because patterns of victimization are not always simple and
>evident (look at columns by Ann Landers, look at articles on this newsgroup
>about dogs and cleaning the house) the simple remedy of ``well, leave him''
>does not protect these victims adequately.  Further, where force or threat of
>bodily harm is involved, that remedy is simply not available.
>

   This is as valid an argument for gun control or banning religion as it
is for pornography legislation.  Watch this:  Although we don't have very 
much evidence about the general population, there is a subpopulation which
uses firearms in the commission of crimes. And the legality of firearms
does make it easier for them to obtain guns and commit these crimes.  Because
these crimes have victims, the simple remedy of "well, just arrest the
criminals and leave us law-abiding citizens alone" does not protect these
victims adequately.

   Or:  Although most church-goers are quiet, nonviolent people, there is
a subpopulation for whom religious fervor leads to bigotry and political
oppression.  Since this affects people (victims), and since the patterns
of political oppression are not always simple and evident, the simple
remedy of "well, don't listen to loonies like Jerry Falwell" does not
protect these victims adequately.


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