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From: karl@cbrma.UUCP (Karl Kleinpaste)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: AWACS and Pearl Harbour.
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Date: Wed, 24-Sep-86 09:14:52 EDT
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Posted: Wed Sep 24 09:14:52 1986
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In article <15779@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> desj@brahms.UUCP (David desJardins) writes:
>In article <434@inuxm.UUCP> arlan@inuxm.UUCP (A Andrews) writes:
>>[...]  (The Colonel also told us that the evidence was strong that he and
>>his buddies and the whole fleet had been set up for the surprise attack,
>>so that Roosevelt could get us into the war.  So much for another Democrat
>>Party hero.
>
>   How unheard of -- the armed forces blaming politicians instead of
>accepting responsibility for their mistakes!  I have read extensively on
>this subject, with no particular preconceptions, and I have seen nothing
>that would make me believe that Roosevelt knew exactly when the Japanese
>would attack, or that their fleet was sailing toward Pearl Harbor.  Or
>that the Japanese had developed modifications to their torpedoes which
>would allow them to be used against ships at Pearl (which the military
>considered essentially invulnerable).

The question of *exactly when* is a good one, I suppose, but I have
what I consider to be good reason to believe that Roosevelt et al knew
it was coming.  My father was an Army Captain at the time, stationed
at an eastern US base I won't bother to name.  He told me a few times
during my life about the fact that, on 5 Dec 1941, the base commander
issued an order (or, more accurately, relayed an order) that all
leaves were cancelled, all personnel were due on base Right Now, and
the base's highest security level was to be implemented immediately
and maintained until further notice.  No explanation.  The base
remained under maximum security lockout until the evening of 6 Dec.
For some reason, it was lifted that evening at (I think he said) 8pm
eastern time.  The attack came, of course, early the next morning.

Clearly, Somebody Fairly High Up knew that Something was going on.
They may not have known what it was, they may not have known exactly
when it was going to happen.  But they knew Something.  And they took
no chances when they found about it.  But the apparent danger passed,
and security was loosened - just in time for the attack.

Something about the oxymoron, "military intelligence..."
-- 
Karl Kleinpaste