Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!yale!decvax!cca!mirror!misc!inmet!janw From: janw@inmet.UUCP Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal Message-ID: <117200096@inmet> Date: Sat, 20-Sep-86 11:54:00 EDT Article-I.D.: inmet.117200096 Posted: Sat Sep 20 11:54:00 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 11-Oct-86 07:18:30 EDT References: <559@gargoyle.UUCP> Lines: 36 Nf-ID: #R:gargoyle.UUCP:-55900:inmet:117200096:000:1418 Nf-From: inmet.UUCP!janw Sep 20 11:54:00 1986 [radford@calgary.UUCP ] >For those who don't believe Jan meant this as satire, I will point out >that effective means of suicide have never been hard to come by, so this >isn't much of a "proposal". A "decriminalized but not legalized" case. But I made my position clear many times. I like people; I welcome more of them around; I think they make more living space for each other than they take; but I also think birth and death ought to be private. I am not into social tinkering of either population- reducing, or population-increasing kind. The "proposal" is in the nature of a challenge to the other side of the debate: if you want that, say I, then you ought to prefer this. Utilitarianism is not my basic approach: but I believe that, con- sistently followed, it leads to libertarian conclusions, as it often did in the hands of Mill. >I also note that the title of the posting, >"A Modest Proposal", was first used by Jonathan Swift in advocating >that Irish babies be eaten. Exactly. That old essay is a staple of modern English-language education. I expected readers to recollect it. To make it even clearer: I don't recommend or encourage suicide. If I did, I would do it for the sake of the person involved - not to relieve traffic congestion (like that governor who said old people have a duty to die). But even *that* is less heinous than imposed birth control. Jan Wasilewsky