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Subject: Re: Freedom of faith (Communism) WARNING FLAMES!
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Date: Wed, 8-Oct-86 21:58:59 EDT
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Posted: Wed Oct  8 21:58:59 1986
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> I said "UN-INFORMED!!!!!", because to believe that ALL communists are
> trying to take over the world, you have to be extremely un-informed.
>		... 
> 	This is simply bullshit.  There are Communist parties in a number of
> Western European countries, that are completely separate from the soviet
> union.  Communism was a response to the failings of the capitalist economic
> system.  It has been around a lot longer than the USSR.
> 	In Canada, there is the CPC-ML (Communist Party of Canada - Marxist
> Lenninists) which regularly attacks BOTH the US and the USSR because they
> both have imperialist policies.
>
> The point of my posting was to attack this belief.  I was commenting on
> someone that had said that communists should not be allowed in the US
> because they were out to destroy the country and take over the world.
> (probably with drugs or pornography or something :-)
> 

Hellen Caldicott made an interesting remark once at a talk comparing
the foreign policies of Nixon & Reagan.  She said that while Reagan
refuses to even meet communists, Nixon was a great statesman because
he went to China and extended the hand of friendship to the Chinese.
Now we have more communists on our side than Russia does.

Russia and China BTW, are bitter enemies.  I have heard that Nixon
made overtures to the Chinese because he found out that the Russians
wanted to launch a nuke attack against the Chinese and he wanted to
fend the Russians off.

I know a lady who was a real honest-to-goodness card-carrying communist
in the 30's; back in the days when the communist party wasn't just a bunch
of flakes handing out leaflets at street corners.  She quit in disgust
when the communists invaded Hungary.  She felt it was a total betrayal
of what communism was supposed to stand for.  In a newspaper interview,
she said "I don't feel that I left the communist party; they left me."

Anybody who thinks they should judge socialism by the actions of Russia
is deluded as to what socialism is.  A much better model would be
Sweeden or some of the other more developed countries.  Russia is a
dispicable betrayal of the ideals of socialism.  They proved that
quite well when they clamped down on Poland's Solidarity movement, thus
actually *denying* workers the right to have a say in how they would live.
 
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