Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!yale!husc6!uwvax!rutgers!sri-spam!nike!think!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!decwrl!sun!mlwh From: mlwh@sun.UUCP Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc Subject: Re: South Africa Terrorizes Southern Africa Message-ID: <8042@sun.uucp> Date: Thu, 9-Oct-86 16:22:57 EDT Article-I.D.: sun.8042 Posted: Thu Oct 9 16:22:57 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 16-Oct-86 06:51:24 EDT References: <8556@duke.duke.UUCP> <117200040@inmet> <8673@duke.duke.UUCP> <1069@ucbcad.BERKELEY.EDU> <8687@duke.duke.UUCP> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 80 > In article <1069@ucbcad.BERKELEY.EDU> hijab@cad.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Raif Hijab) writes: > >In article <8673@duke.duke.UUCP> rjn@duke.UUCP (R. James Nusbaum) writes: > >Yes, there has been a lot of Palestinian terrorism, much of it senseless, > >useless acts of desperation. But the Palestinians did not start it, nor > >are they the only terrorists around. In particular, the Israelis are > >guilty of terrorism, BY THE SAME DEFINITION GIVEN ABOVE -namely, > >fomenting TERROR by attacking civilians. The difference is that they > >hit refugee camps and call them terrorist bases, and destroy villagers' > >homes "to teach them a lesson." YES, a government with a standing army > >can be as much a terrorist as an extralegal gang of desperate young men > >(or women). > > > >The Palestinians have their terrorists, as does the ANC. But so do the > >Israelis and the Afikaaners. Does the terrorism negate the truth about > >right and wrong? about just and unjust? Why is it that the same person > >who will defend the right of blacks in South Africa to fight racism, > >is squeamish about defending the same right for the Palestinians? > > I was wondering when someone would bring this up. As I mentioned earlier, > I believe that there is a basic difference between the goal of Palestinian > groups and South African black groups. As far as I know the Palestinians > have never made any attempt at peaceful settlement. They resorted to > violence immediately. I believe that it is the goal of the Palestinians > to completely get rid of the Jews. They make no attempt to negotiate, in > fact they won't even recognize Israel as a country. Their goal is not to > coexist, but to remove. Now many might say that this is also the objective > of the blacks in South Africa, but I don't think that is true. The ANC > clearly states that it wants a government for everyone without racial > discrimination of any kind. > > I don't really think that Arabs in Israel are repressed to a degree > anywhere near the level of blacks in South Africa. As far as I know > (and please correct me if I am wrong) there are no laws that require > discrimination against Arabs. I think Arabs are represented in the > Israeli government. > > I am not a supporter of Israeli policy. I think their actions in Lebanon > are without merit whatsoever. They are as guilty of terrorism as those > they are fighting against. This does not excuse Palestinian terrorists of > the brutal killings of totally innocent people. The Jews in Turkey, France, > Rome and other places had absolutely nothing to do with Israel. The killings > were perpetrated against people merely because of their religious beliefs. > This would be like the ANC killing whites in Europe and America simply > because they are white. If the ANC starts doing that then they will > certainly lose my support. > > Personally I see very few similarities between the Palestinian plight > and that of South African blacks. I sympathize with the injustice done > to the Palestinians when they were not given the chance to rule their > homeland, but I believe they are motivated strongly by religious > intolerance and hate. > > Jim Nusbaum The Palestinain's are by no means a 'terrorist organization'. They are a political body that has wings (or factions) that currently use many terrorist tactics. The Arab world while not oppressed to the extent of those in South Africa, they have been 'bully-ed' by Israel. Israel attacks (or enters an area in 'self-defence') and then runs back and hides behind the $5 Billion dollars of annual military aid that the U.S. gives them. Unfortunately, the U.S. gives the aid somewhat blindly. The Palestinians and other factions have several times tried more peaceful means and have been rebuked...While I am not really sure what side I am on I definitely think that many people are brain-washed into believing that the PLO is a terrorist organization. ----Martin Lewis Walter Hall---- SUN Microsystems Mail Stop 1-40 2550 Garcia Avenue, Mountain View, Ca. 94043 (415) 691-7995 reply to: hplabs \ allegra > !sun!mlwh ios / or mlwh@sun.COM