Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!caip!rutgers!sri-spam!sri-unix!hplabs!tektronix!uw-beaver!ubc-vision!alberta!calgary!radford From: radford@calgary.UUCP (Radford Neal) Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,net.books Subject: Re: Looking for Libertarian SF Message-ID: <426@vaxb.calgary.UUCP> Date: Sun, 5-Oct-86 19:28:18 EDT Article-I.D.: vaxb.426 Posted: Sun Oct 5 19:28:18 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 9-Oct-86 00:38:36 EDT References: <122@bigbang.UUCP> <612@3comvax.UUCP> <951@tekigm.UUCP> Organization: U. of Calgary, Calgary, Ab. Lines: 39 Keywords: anarcho-libertarian S.F. Xref: watmath talk.politics.theory:13 net.books:4274 Summary: Mack Reynolds not at all libertarian In article <951@tekigm.UUCP>, dand@tekigm.UUCP writes: > Take a stab at Mack Reynolds, and his various "X in the 21st Century", > such as "Reality in the 21st Century" and like that. His political > system is what he calls a "technocracy", but actually appears to > be a one-buck:one-vote sort of system, where those who control the > wealth control the country... I don't think I've read "Reality in the 21st Century", but I've read others in this series. I would not consider the political systems portrayed in Mack Reynolds' fiction to be at all libertarian. I think "Fascist" might be a better description. By this I mean a polical system in which at least a facade of private ownership is maintained, but in which all important economic decisions are decided by political, not market, forces. My memory of the details of Mack Reynolds' societies is vague; for that matter, I'm not sure he describes the political system in detail. I *am* sure of my recollections regarding the general tone of his philosophy, (technically, the philosophy of his characters, but this is so consistent from novel to novel that he must either agree with it, or at least think it is inevitable). This tone is distinctly non-libertarian. An example I remember, from a book called something like "The Lagrangists": The hero, a private investigator, I think, is recruited to solve the problems of some space colony. Which he does. At the end he is quite tempted to join the colony, but doesn't. The reason? The colony restricts immigration to people of a certain intelligence level, which he doesn't meet. It seems possible that the colonists would make an exception in his case, but he thinks they should stick to their principles, so he foregoes the opportunity. Apparently, this is not a satire; Reynolds seems to think this sort of elitism is good. The question that immediately comes to my mind, of course, is why these intelligent people couldn't solve their own problems. This attachment to non-objective status criteria is reminiscent of feudalism. It is quite foreign to libertarianism. Radford Neal