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From: hydar@ernie.Berkeley.EDU (Dan Hydar)
Newsgroups: talk.origins,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Rowing through the fog
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Date: Tue, 16-Sep-86 23:34:09 EDT
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In article <221@dione.rice.EDU> scorpion@titan.UUCP (Vernon Lee) writes:

>>>> What's the big deal about "dying" to prove your love when you know you can
>>>> come back from the grave at will?
>>>      Christ's sacrafice wasn't His life-- it was going through the pain of
>>> death.  And crucifixion is a *very* painful death indeed.

>>For human beings. Trivial for an omnipotent God.
>>		Scott McEwan

	Trivial if and only if He MAKES it trivial for Himself.  (I am 
    assuming that you are not taking the crucifiction as being some 
    elaborate hoax put on by the Supreme Being -- if this is the case,
    it's just a matter of "faith" for you and there's no point in going
    back and forth on this ... ) 

	In fact, I think it's pretty obvious that it would be MORE
    difficult to endure that kind of suffering if you are used to NO
    suffering at all.  (Not to mention reducing yourself from an infinite
    being to an extremely finite human being..)

>If God is omnipotent, why should ANYTHING be difficult
>for him?  Omnipotent people can do ANYTHING, just    A N Y T H I N G!

      ... including experiencing human pain and weakness first hand?

>People who claim God (god, Gods, gods, whatever) is incomprehensibly
>big and huge and powerful who also claim he thinks or suffers or shares
>any human weaknesses whatsoever are making two contradictory assumptions.
> scorpion

	This seemingly contradicts your first statement -- given that God
  is omnipotent,  He must therefore be able to take on human limitations
  if He were to so chose.  Your statement ONLY makes sense if you assume
  that the Diety in question would not CHOSE to do so.



				    |Dan|
      				    "Just browsing in the K-mart of ideas"