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From: pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc)
Newsgroups: net.religion.christian,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Praying to the Father; thoughts on the Holy Spirit & the Trinity
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Date: Sun, 21-Sep-86 03:12:40 EDT
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>>>Jesus explicitly says to pray to God the Father.  He (Jesus) never said 
>>>that we should pray *to* him, only to the Father in his name.  The Holy 
>>>Spirit is supposed to be a companion and a comforter, but not one to 
>>>whom one prays.

>>I understand your point on a rational level; on the other hand if Creator,
>>Redeemer, and Spirit are one and coequal, it seems an overnice point that
>>we may/should pray to God as Father but not as Holy Spirit, especially since
>>Jesus emphasized His oneness with the Father.

In article <7653@tekecs.UUCP> mikes@tekecs.UUCP (Michael Sellers) writes:
>.. . .       .      .... . .        ....   ..    . I also think that the
>idea of the Trinity that some people accept (one God, one being, three 
>different manifestations) is mistaken.  
>.. . . .....        .. ....        The verses where Jesus talks about
>himself, the Father, and the Holy Spirit make it clear (to me) that we have
>here three separate beings (call them one God if you wish; I think at this
>level it is little more than word play) who jointly participate as God, joined
>in purpose but with different emphases.  

The problem with understanding how three can be one is that science 
has not yet found the cosmology to explain it.   GOD (The Father)
exists only in one dimensional space and he fills it infinitely.
Angels (and our souls) exist in two dimensional space and occupy
a space of area.  By our own senses our physical bodies exist
here in three dimensional space.  Now GOD can extend HIMSELF into
the second and third dimensional space, while still maintaining
HIS EXISTENCE in One Space.  To extend in this way HE actually takes
on substance in those two other domains.   That substance in our
space is matter and in two space is hypermatter.  But as much as
we are one being which includes a hypermatter soul and a matter
body GOD too is ONE.   This is a GRAND thing for GOD to do since,
otherwise,  we would be deprived of DIRECT contact with GOD, since 
we can only respond to substance of our own type. 

PRAYER is petition or a requesting communication.   If I had
telepathic powers and could communicate "concepts" directly from
my soul to the soul of another, then I would be aware of the
others point of view  and know that I had "gotten through".  
But, now that only comes by speaking from my soul through my body
and vice versa with another human.  My concepts have to be
translated or represented by picture mosaics of "words".   Now
the idea may have been encoded and decoded okay and then again
maybe not.  

By analogy consider a stone mosaic of an apple tree with red 
green brown blue white and black stones making up the scene of
leaves,  branches, apples, grasses, sky and clouds.  The red 
stones would easily be recognized as "apples".  But they are 
not and eating them could break your teeth.   So be careful 
reading the "mosaics" of the Bible.  Look for the "reality"
pictured not the picture. 

When we address each other do we say, "Hey brain of bill, would
you please help me with this programming problem?" ?  If you
"feel" like you need help with some deficit you have and it
seems easier to ask mental image Christ, I'm sure the mail will
get to the "Center of Power".  

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