Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!husc6!ut-sally!seismo!vrdxhq!BMS-AT!stuart From: stuart@BMS-AT.UUCP (Stuart D. Gathman) Newsgroups: talk.origins,talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: Creation, Evolution, and Flood Message-ID: <214@BMS-AT.UUCP> Date: Sun, 21-Sep-86 02:51:24 EDT Article-I.D.: BMS-AT.214 Posted: Sun Sep 21 02:51:24 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 23-Sep-86 02:30:58 EDT References: <203@BMS-AT.UUCP> <7643@tekecs.UUCP> Organization: Business Management Systems, Inc., Fairfax, VA Lines: 70 Xref: linus talk.origins:76 talk.religion.misc:170 Summary: Please read the story. In article <7643@tekecs.UUCP>, mikes@tekecs.UUCP (Michael Sellers) writes: > Better, "Here are some Biblical assertations of fact", for the non-faithful > among us. Agreed. > > Onset: Sudden. Only the seven in the Ark had (100 years worth > > of supernatural) warning. > A nit: I thought it was more like 40 years of warning. I could be wrong. This is not conclusive. But compare: GEN 5:32 After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth. GEN 7:6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. (I would post the whole story, since no one seems to have actually looked at it, but there are understandable objections to my doing so.) > > Water source: the 'floodgates of heaven' and the 'fountains of the deep'. > > (The objection that there is not enough water in the atmosphere > > and polar caps is not sufficient.) > Actually, I would think from a skeptic's point of view this would be a pretty > good objection. I would counter that neither of us can say if there is or > could be enough water (the question is not central to the issue), but to > say the objection is not sufficient without explanation is itself not > sufficient. The "fountains of the deep" does not refer to polar caps and clouds. > I think some of these things are open to debate. Does the Bible say or imply > that there were no seasons and that the average person (not selected persons > mentioned) lived 900+ years, or are these your conclusions? This is not conclusive, but consider: GEN 2:5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth + Or land; also in verse 6 + and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth + Or land; also in verse 6 + and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams + Or mist + came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground-- GEN 8:22 "As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease." Have you know *one* person who lived to be 900? 120? > Radio-carbon dating is accomplished by measuring how much of the radioactive > carbon has decayed since the thing *died*. This rate is constant reagrdless > of previous lifespan, since the carbon is not being replaced at all. And How much radioactive carbon did the the have *before* it died? How long was the candle before it started burning? > Why would God single out the dinosaurs? And why does the Bible not record > elsewhere anything about these great creatures who lived on the earth for Check out Job 40:15 - 41:34. (I have already quoted this on the net!) P.S. So called "fossil evidence" has always puzzled me. It's not so much the "missing links" but the absence of *any* continous change between species! -- Stuart D. Gathman <..!seismo!{vrdxhq|dgis}!BMS-AT!stuart>