Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!umcp-cs!prometheus!pmk From: pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian,talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: Praying to the Father; thoughts on the Holy Spirit & the Trinity Message-ID: <257@prometheus.UUCP> Date: Mon, 22-Sep-86 06:04:21 EDT Article-I.D.: promethe.257 Posted: Mon Sep 22 06:04:21 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 26-Sep-86 04:45:59 EDT References: <7568@tekecs.UUCP> <1503@mtx5a.UUCP> <7616@tekecs.UUCP> <256@prometheus.UUCP> <1270@utastro.UUCP> Reply-To: pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) Distribution: net Organization: Prometheus II, Ltd., College Park, MD 20740-0222 Lines: 114 Keywords: prays, Trinity, Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Which? Xref: linus net.religion.christian:4699 talk.religion.misc:201 > In article <1270@utastro.UUCP> padraig@utastro.UUCP (Padraig Houlahan) writes: >Actually the posting is quite instructive. It is a classic example of >the confusion, frequently exhibited by pseudo-scientists, as to what >constitutes an "explanation". In this gem, the unexplained is introduced >as exotic unsubstantiated assertions and definitions, in order to explain >that which is unexplained. Padraig H. repeats seven definitions (see below) given in an innovative hypothesis which extends cosmology to include a place for "spiritural beings" including GOD, and even the somewhat baffling problem of the Trinity. NOTE: tri + unity. What was particularly upsetting to Houlahan was the number of new definitions and that no "explanation" was given. The reason for that was that this hypothesis grew out of problems in physics and cosmology and not religion, so it's not exactly appropriate for this news group. Once the cosmology was "invented", however, it was interesting to look around for "strange things" to put in these strange places. The generalized physics of the substances can be interpolated from ordinary physics and calculus. The stuff of one space is infinitely dense while the stuff of our space and two space is not. Also only one object can exist in one space. That's for two reasons: There are no gradients or "edges"; and since there is no existing lesser dimension, it can't be cut or "divided" into segments like lines in two space can. Consequently, only a single entity can occupy one dimensional space. Incidentally, zero dimension is a trivial or null space (lines are able to be cut in two space because lines can "intersect"). Then too we can estimate the "time" characteristics of this substance. This is "interpolation" from the time characteristics of ordinary matter, but it seems not at all unreasonable. That is that since the matter has "infinite density" time passes at a "zero" rate. OR as I explained else where, it means that the "real present time" expands in width infinitely into both the future and the past. That means the substance exists simultaneously at all times. That's not the case for our matter (less then 10^-24seconds). Note that I didn't develop any reason for the "infinite density of matter" in that space, but I can do that another time. Think that it takes energy to compress a "coil spring" or an elastic ball. Now think of the how much energy it would take to compress all of the nucleii (little powerful elastic balls) into an line of infintismal volume. Anyway, the problem I was trying to solve had nothing to do with "where's GOD or what's the Trinity", it had to do with the source for the "energy /information" of the big bang. And, it looks like it came from a decay of a chunk of "two space" NOT GOD. Well sort of NOT... it's that old trickle down theory, since 2 space and hypermatter "spilled forth" from 1-space, it all can be traced backed to GOD the Ultimate source. Then too since time is quantized, information frames are refreshed at enormous rates, so that the Creator has his finger on things always. Another "religous" result is that there has to have been at least two creations. Try to find that in the Bible! On the science side, there are some really new, predictable and "measurable" things that fall out like the magnetic field densities on rapidly spinning and precessing neutron stars, that "multinegative nucleii" (Helium and heavier) are unstable and can NOT exist, and a few other nifty little goodies. So what if it's spooky that substance can be interpolated in both spaces and that the one space substance looks DIVINE. These SEVEN definitions could be generlized to a couple of simple statements. Do you want to try if for us Houlihan. (Skip the followin > and >> stuff) >In article <256@prometheus.UUCP>, pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) writes: >> GOD (The Father) >> exists only in one dimensional space and he fills it infinitely. > -Assertion /Definition >> Angels (and our souls) exist in two dimensional space and occupy >> a space of area. > > -Assertion /Definition > >>... Now GOD can extend HIMSELF into the second and third dimensional space, >> while still maintaining HIS EXISTENCE in One Space. > > -Assertion /Definition > >> To extend in this way HE actually takes >> on substance in those two other domains. > > -Assertion /Definition > >> That substance in our space is matter and in two space is hypermatter. > > -Definition > >> But as much as we are one being which includes a hypermatter soul and a >> matter body GOD too is ONE. > > -Assertion > >>... This is a GRAND thing for GOD to do since, >> otherwise, we would be deprived of DIRECT contact with GOD, since >> we can only respond to substance of our own type. > > -Assertion > >Introducing 7 unexplained assertions/definitions to explain away your >pet irrationalities, that you don't understand, just doesn't cut it. Apparently, our position, being at the center of the universe is being threatened again. "Oh dear, I thought the two lesser spaces were empty." "Shucks, Come to think of it I never even gave it a thought." +---------------------------------------------------------+--------+ | Paul M. Koloc, President: (301) 445-1075 | FUSION | | Prometheus II, Ltd.; College Park, MD 20740-0222 | this | | {umcp-cs | seismo}!prometheus!pmk; pmk@prometheus.UUCP | decade | +---------------------------------------------------------+--------+